From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 19:24:52 +0200 Message-ID: <83d1rolkt7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838u2hu6aq.fsf@gnu.org> <871t899tde.fsf@gnus.org> <83y4ahru04.fsf@gnu.org> <83fuwproyf.fsf@gnu.org> <837fi0sz29.fsf@gnu.org> <83egc8qzjh.fsf@gnu.org> <87egc7evu3.fsf@gnus.org> <83io1jpt4u.fsf@gnu.org> <87povqhj25.fsf@gnus.org> <83povqm3dw.fsf@gnu.org> <83io1im0zq.fsf@gnu.org> <85si0kenvi.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <83mvqsln3j.fsf@gnu.org> <85oab8elak.fsf@iznogoud.viz> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456161941 23340 80.91.229.3 (22 Feb 2016 17:25:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, lokedhs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Wolfgang Jenkner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 22 18:25:36 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aXuEZ-0000QI-MF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 18:25:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50685 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXuEV-0004DP-QH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:25:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52881) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXuEN-00046H-QJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:25:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXuEI-0003xO-S6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:25:07 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40709) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXuEI-0003xK-P2; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:25:02 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1322 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aXuEH-00073f-Go; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:25:02 -0500 In-reply-to: <85oab8elak.fsf@iznogoud.viz> (message from Wolfgang Jenkner on Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:56:19 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200468 Archived-At: > From: Wolfgang Jenkner > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, lokedhs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:56:19 +0100 > > On Mon, Feb 22 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> > I don't think this is correct. I think ö is a letter on its own in > >> > any language that uses it. Which is why I don't see how it is > >> > different from ø. > >> > >> In German dictionary collation order there's only a secondary difference > >> between o and ö [1] > >> > >> &O<<ö<<<Ö > > > > Yes, I know. But that doesn't mean ö is not a letter on its own. > > > > IOW, collation order says nothing about letter differences, IMO. > > I think it does. All objections to making char-fold search the default > come from people who expect that letters with a *primary* difference in > their locale should not be conflated. I understand, and I didn't try to argue against that. The sub-thread about being a "letter on its own" is just a tangent, not directly related to the issue at hand.