From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 22:44:37 +0300 Message-ID: <83d1mroonu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <5775A512.4020803@gmail.com> <8337ntvm2d.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9c9lqll.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87eg78aqtx.fsf@mbork.pl> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467747962 15912 80.91.229.3 (5 Jul 2016 19:46:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 19:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 05 21:46:01 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKWIC-00066K-7e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 21:46:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57729 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKWIB-00059c-8O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:45:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57184) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKWHc-0004xB-4g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:45:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKWHY-0001Q2-G5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:45:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50963) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKWHY-0001Pn-Cr; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:45:20 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3524 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bKWHN-00084y-Mb; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:45:12 -0400 In-reply-to: <87eg78aqtx.fsf@mbork.pl> (message from Marcin Borkowski on Tue, 05 Jul 2016 20:21:30 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205203 Archived-At: > From: Marcin Borkowski > Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 20:21:30 +0200 > Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On 2016-07-02, at 00:09, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > > 2. The spreadsheet. Apparently table.el was either too complicated or > > > too limiting to be easily used. Probably what should have happened > > > here is that table.el should have been improved. There's no intrinsic > > > reason why the spreadsheet aspect of Org needs to rely on Org's > > > markup, or its major mode. > > > > This could be an instance of the problem I mean. If the spreadsheet > > were a separate facility from Org mode, so that you could use either > > one without the other, that doesn't mean they could not work together > > well also. > > Org spreadsheet can use values in headline's properties. That _might_ > be tricky to do if it were a separate mode. Which, of course, flies in the face of your assertion that no previous knowledge of Org is needed before its features can be used.