From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24802: emacs -Q -nw loads cl-lib Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2017 16:31:36 +0300 Message-ID: <83d179z0p3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83twbzt0w9.fsf@gnu.org> <83funcplo3.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1504359215 26344 195.159.176.226 (2 Sep 2017 13:33:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 13:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 24802-done@debbugs.gnu.org To: rgm@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 02 15:33:20 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1do8Xy-0005lO-9O for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2017 15:33:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48468 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1do8Y3-0005Cl-Ni for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sat, 02 Sep 2017 09:31:51 -0400 In-reply-to: <83funcplo3.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 31 Oct 2016 17:45:16 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:136484 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 17:45:16 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 24802@debbugs.gnu.org > > > From: Glenn Morris > > Cc: 24802@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 19:49:26 -0400 > > > > As you said in > > > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-10/msg00095.html > > > > Up until now, the rules for pre-loading package X were that either > > (a) some preloaded package requires X, or (b) X will be > > auto-loaded at the beginning of every session by some very > > frequent operation, like visiting the first file or creating a > > window or a frame. > > > > Here we have case b), without needing any operation at all. > > > > OK, it's not "every session", it's "every -nw session in an > > xterm-like terminal", but IMO the same should apply. > > > > [1] I don't count the actual term/*.el files themselves in this, > > because those that aren't preloaded have traditionally been trivial. > > Perhaps xterm.el has become so large, and is used (I guess) in such a > > large fraction of without-x builds, that it should be preloaded in > > such builds, as x-win.el is in with-x builds. I think that's a > > separate issue though. It would however make the issue in this report > > obvious. > > That's exactly my line of reasoning: as long as we don't preload > xterm.el, we shouldn't regard its loading of other files a problem. In any case, your recipe yields nil with the current master, so even if you disagree with the above reasoning, the original problem is now gone, and I'm therefore closing this bug report. Thanks.