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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Emacs 25.3 released
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 21:49:17 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83d16vpxaq.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87efrbixj1.fsf@zigzag> (message from Thien-Thi Nguyen on Tue, 12 Sep 2017 20:26:10 +0200)

> From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 20:26:10 +0200
> 
> I think the lag is important because it represents "attack
> surface" (for FUD) to defend.  Look at all the noise already
> precipitated.

Experience shows that noise is unavoidable, no matter what we do or
don't do.  Thus, the fact that there is noise proves or disproves
nothing.

> If those operations are not sufficient to get the repo in order,
> then i suggest they be done prior to tarball publication,
> anyway, but on a provisional branch.  Afterwards, the proper
> "getting the repo in order" operations can work w/ that branch
> to merge it back to ‘master’ or whatever.

Experience taught me that Git is tricky enough to cause even
experience users of Git to make mistakes from time to time.  And in
this case even a slight risk of making a mistake was entirely
unacceptable.  So we've chosen a safer way, with Git issues out of the
critical path.  From my POV, the result was smashing success.

> In sum: IMHO it's fine to deviate from full release protocol if
> the deviation maintains transparency.  When transparency is
> lost, we need (annoying :-D) ml threads to find it again.

The transparency was not lost, because the patch was posted here in
advance.



  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-12 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-11 20:52 [ANNOUNCE] Emacs 25.3 released Nicolas Petton
2017-09-12  8:48 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-09-12 11:29   ` Nicolas Petton
2017-09-12 11:56     ` Andreas Schwab
2017-09-12 12:10       ` Rostislav Svoboda
2017-09-12 12:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 12:44         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-12 12:55         ` Nicolas Petton
2017-09-12 13:03           ` Andreas Schwab
2017-09-12 13:29             ` Rostislav Svoboda
2017-09-12 15:25               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 15:48                 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-09-12 15:55                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-12 16:38                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 18:26                     ` Nicolas Petton
2017-09-12 19:09                     ` Nicolas Petton
2017-09-12 16:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 18:39                     ` Nicolas Petton
2017-09-13  6:49                     ` Andreas Schwab
2017-09-12 16:42                 ` Rostislav Svoboda
2017-09-12 16:54                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 18:38               ` Nicolas Petton
2017-09-12 18:57                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 19:00                 ` Robert Weiner
2017-09-12 20:49                 ` martin rudalics
2017-09-12 22:05                 ` Rostislav Svoboda
2017-09-12 23:39                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-13 16:18                 ` Tino Calancha
2017-09-13 16:39                 ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-20 22:32                 ` Tim Cross
2017-09-21  7:25                   ` Richard Copley
2017-09-21  7:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-21 18:53                       ` Richard Copley
2017-09-21 19:15                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-21 19:26                           ` Richard Copley
2017-09-21 20:56                           ` Phillip Lord
2017-09-22  7:08                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-22 15:29                               ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-27 10:18                               ` Phillip Lord
2017-09-29  9:54                                 ` Stephen Leake
2017-09-29 10:46                                   ` Phillip Lord
2017-09-29 12:46                                     ` Richard Copley
2017-10-02 11:54                                       ` Phillip Lord
2017-09-30  7:22                                     ` Stephen Leake
2017-09-21 20:37                       ` Phillip Lord
2017-09-22  2:02                         ` Stephen Leake
2017-09-22  7:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 15:22             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 15:47               ` Andreas Schwab
2017-09-12 16:37                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-13  6:45                   ` Andreas Schwab
2017-09-13  6:50               ` Andreas Schwab
2017-09-13  7:07                 ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-13  7:40                 ` Nicolas Petton
2017-09-13  8:53                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-13  8:57                     ` Rostislav Svoboda
2017-09-13 14:51                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-13 14:34                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-13  8:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-13  8:27                   ` Andreas Schwab
2017-09-13  8:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-13  8:48                       ` Andreas Schwab
2017-09-13 14:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-13 15:12                       ` Mike Gerwitz
2017-09-13 15:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-13 18:14               ` Nicolas Petton
2017-09-19 23:36               ` John Wiegley
2017-09-12 15:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 22:13         ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-14 14:19           ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2017-09-14 20:50             ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-13  1:41         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-12 12:40       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 16:05 ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-09-12 16:30   ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-12 16:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 18:26       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2017-09-12 18:49         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-09-13 16:39           ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-13 16:39         ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-14  6:51           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2017-09-15  8:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 16:40   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-14 11:15     ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-09-12 22:11   ` Timur Aydin
2017-09-12 22:16   ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-12 16:06 ` Roland Winkler
2017-09-12 16:41   ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-12 16:54     ` Roland Winkler
2017-09-12 17:12       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 17:40         ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-12 17:57           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 18:29           ` Nicolas Petton
2017-09-13 16:39       ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-13 19:36         ` Ulrich Mueller
2017-09-14  1:42           ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-14  6:37             ` Ulrich Mueller
2017-09-14 13:24               ` Etienne Prud’homme
2017-09-14 15:01                 ` Nicolas Petton
2017-09-14 20:52               ` [ANNOUNCE] " Richard Stallman
2017-09-12 16:42   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-12 17:46   ` Phillip Lord
2017-09-13  1:46     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-14 19:49       ` security-patches package (was: [ANNOUNCE] Emacs 25.3 released) Ted Zlatanov
2017-09-15 12:32         ` security-patches package Stefan Monnier
2017-09-16 15:50           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-09-21 20:01             ` Phillip Lord
2017-09-22  3:12               ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                 ` <878th32hzx.fsf@russet.org.uk>
2017-09-25 10:24                   ` Phillip Lord
2017-09-22 12:59               ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-09-23  4:15                 ` Stephen Leake
2017-09-12 23:45 ` Hotfixing older Emacsen? Was: [ANNOUNCE] Emacs 25.3 released Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-14 10:05   ` Phillip Lord
2017-09-18  0:03   ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-18  7:48     ` Nicolas Petton
2017-09-18 11:38       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-18 20:31         ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-18 20:30       ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-13 18:40 ` Charles A. Roelli

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