From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Clément Pit-Claudel" <cpitclaudel@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Fill column indicator functionality
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 09:30:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83d0ms1to4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <303612d8-e691-f753-84c9-f462d88262b6@gmail.com> (message from Clément Pit-Claudel on Thu, 14 Mar 2019 14:58:07 -0400)
> From: Clément Pit-Claudel <cpitclaudel@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 14:58:07 -0400
>
> Sorry for jumping in late without having followed the whole discussion. Here's a naive question: is there any reason to use an actual glyph from a face to draw that line, rather than just a continuous line?
That's a good question. Indeed, it would be possible to implement
this with a single thin line being drawn, but I think such an
implementation would have several disadvantages:
. It will need to be implemented separately for each window-system
(X, w32, NS), and for TTY frames. By contrast, the implementation
discussed here is in a single place, is independent of the display
kind, and is very simple and localized.
. Using a glyph makes it easier to support some fancy customizations.
For example, suppose that someone would like to have the indicator
be a dotted line, or to have a more prominent appearance -- all
they'd need to do is find a suitable character, such as ▍ or ▓, and
be done. With the continuous line implementation, we'd need to
implement the corresponding textures in the code, before it could
be supported.
. Using the continuous line would cause complications wrt redisplay
optimizations. Redisplay of text is highly optimized in Emacs, and
frequently needs to update only a small portion of the window. The
problem is what to do about the indicator line when only some
portions are redrawn. A naïve idea of redrawing the entire line
would cause it to flicker on each keypress. (The divider avoids
this problem because it is drawn where no characters can ever
overwrite it, so it only needs to be redrawn when the window
dimensions change, something that is rare and causes a complete
redrawing of the entire window anyway.) We could instead arrange
for redrawing only portions of the line that overlap the glyphs
which are actually redrawn, but then we'd need to write code for
detecting those portions. By contrast, using the glyph-based
implementation we get this for free, because the redisplay
optimizations already know how to avoid redrawing glyphs that
didn't change. We also get for free support for R2L text,
something that would again require separate code with the
continuous line idea.
The continuous line idea does have one advantage: it seamlessly
supports lines of variable height. But that use case is rare, and I
think we will be able to support them with the glyph-based
implementation as well.
Does this answer your question?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-03-15 7:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-02-05 10:53 Fill column indicator functionality Ergus
2019-02-05 16:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-05 18:47 ` Ergus
2019-02-05 19:56 ` Drew Adams
2019-02-05 23:32 ` Ergus
2019-02-06 16:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-06 20:48 ` John Yates
2019-02-06 22:25 ` Ergus
2019-02-07 1:41 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-02-07 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-10 22:04 ` Ergus
2019-02-11 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-11 16:56 ` Jimmy Aguilar Mena
2019-02-11 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-08 18:57 ` Ergus
2019-03-08 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 13:22 ` Ergus
2019-03-09 14:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-11 10:48 ` Ergus
2019-03-11 15:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-11 19:58 ` Andy Moreton
2019-03-11 20:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-12 15:29 ` Ergus
2019-03-12 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-12 19:20 ` Ergus
2019-03-13 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-13 20:02 ` Ergus
2019-03-13 20:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-14 3:02 ` Ergus
2019-03-14 6:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-14 16:51 ` Ergus
2019-03-14 17:59 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-03-14 18:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <20190314211313.giyz7p6jtmquabea@Ergus>
[not found] ` <83bm2c1smi.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-03-15 20:56 ` Ergus
2019-03-15 22:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-03-15 23:22 ` Ergus
2019-03-15 23:47 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-03-16 6:50 ` Ergus
2019-03-16 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-16 7:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-16 12:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 17:28 ` Alp Aker
2019-03-17 18:03 ` Ergus
2019-03-17 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-16 9:36 ` Ergus
2019-03-16 10:18 ` Question about documented functions Ergus
2019-03-16 12:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-16 13:53 ` Ergus
2019-03-16 14:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-16 12:40 ` Fill column indicator functionality Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-14 21:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-03-14 23:54 ` Ergus
2019-03-14 18:58 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-03-15 12:44 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 14:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-03-15 14:54 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 15:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-03-15 15:30 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 14:35 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 18:26 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 15:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-15 13:00 ` Alp Aker
2019-03-15 13:30 ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-03-15 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 15:05 ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-03-15 15:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 15:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-15 15:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 13:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 14:19 ` Alp Aker
2019-03-15 14:58 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-16 15:07 ` Johan Bockgård
2019-03-16 15:22 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 17:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-03-15 18:28 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 14:35 ` Alp Aker
2019-03-09 18:02 ` John Yates
2019-03-09 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-03-15 16:59 Drew Adams
2019-03-15 18:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 19:18 ` Drew Adams
2019-03-15 19:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 19:51 ` Ergus
2019-03-18 1:03 Ergus
2019-03-18 3:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-18 11:42 ` Ergus
2019-03-18 17:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 12:42 ` Ergus
2019-04-02 13:03 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-02 13:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-02 13:37 ` Ergus
2019-04-02 15:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 15:35 ` Ergus
2019-04-02 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 16:36 ` Ergus
2019-04-02 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 17:00 ` Ergus
2019-04-02 17:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 17:48 ` Ergus
2019-04-02 18:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 21:22 ` Ergus
2019-04-03 5:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-03 10:22 ` Ergus
2019-04-03 11:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 9:10 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-05 10:36 ` Ergus
2019-04-05 11:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 12:13 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-05 12:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 14:09 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-05 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 15:04 ` Ergus
2019-04-05 15:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 17:30 ` Ergus
2019-04-05 19:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 20:03 ` Ergus
2019-04-05 21:10 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-05 22:01 ` Ergus
2019-04-05 22:20 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-06 6:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-06 11:06 ` Ergus
2019-04-06 12:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-06 6:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-06 13:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-06 15:20 ` Ergus
2019-04-06 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-06 18:59 ` Ergus
2019-04-06 19:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-06 19:51 ` Ergus
2019-04-07 18:19 ` Ergus
2019-04-07 18:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-07 18:35 ` Ergus
2019-04-07 18:38 ` Ergus
2019-04-07 19:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-07 20:05 ` Ergus
2019-04-08 2:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-08 8:51 ` Ergus
2019-04-08 14:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-08 16:04 ` Ergus
2019-04-12 13:46 ` Ergus
2019-04-12 13:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-01 11:08 ` Ergus
2019-05-03 13:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 14:14 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-03 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 15:25 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-03 16:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 16:18 ` Ergus
2019-05-03 17:49 ` Ergus
2019-05-03 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 18:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 21:05 ` Ergus
2019-05-04 6:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 9:37 ` Ergus
2019-05-04 11:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 11:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-04 15:44 ` Alp Aker
2019-05-04 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 16:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 16:32 ` Alp Aker
2019-05-04 16:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 16:38 ` Alp Aker
2019-05-04 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-05 14:40 ` Ergus
2019-05-04 16:42 ` Ergus
2019-05-03 14:34 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-03 15:31 ` Alp Aker
2019-04-07 20:51 ` Ergus
2019-04-07 21:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-07 21:37 ` Ergus
2019-04-07 21:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-05 13:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 18:11 ` Ergus
2019-04-05 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 21:15 ` Ergus
2019-04-06 10:13 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-06 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 11:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 12:09 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-05 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 13:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 13:47 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-05 14:08 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-03 12:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-02 23:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-02 17:01 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-02 17:26 ` Ergus
2019-04-02 17:50 ` Robert Pluim
2019-05-04 22:51 Keith David Bershatsky
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