From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 15:55:51 +0300 Message-ID: <83d0i6uqso.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zhlbaf5d.fsf@kiddo.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <20190718173252.GA3093@robertalessi.net> <20190718184700.GA4886@robertalessi.net> <20190718203203.GG4886@robertalessi.net> <83tvbiv7dp.fsf@gnu.org> <20190719085824.GA3263@robertalessi.net> <83lfwuv05b.fsf@gnu.org> <20190719095407.GB5734@robertalessi.net> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="7254"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 36717@debbugs.gnu.org To: Robert Alessi Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 19 14:57:08 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hoSRg-0001j1-7h for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:57:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44928 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoSRe-0006vI-1p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:57:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56326) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoSRb-0006us-GS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:57:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoSRa-0004ED-FS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46533) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoSRa-0004E7-C8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoSRa-0008AH-AT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:57:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36717 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 36717-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36717.156354096531290 (code B ref 36717); Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:57:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 36717) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2019 12:56:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55350 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoSQe-00088b-Va for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:56:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43605) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoSQc-00088F-Or for 36717@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:56:03 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58033) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoSQX-0003V9-5Q; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:55:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2372 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hoSQV-0002GC-Rq; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:55:56 -0400 In-reply-to: <20190719095407.GB5734@robertalessi.net> (message from Robert Alessi on Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:54:07 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:163401 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:54:07 +0200 > From: Robert Alessi > Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 36717@debbugs.gnu.org > > > As of 2016, the latest versions of Unicode (as of 2016) have now > > formally deprecated and removed the vowel+oxia combinations from the > > Greek extended range, leaving only the vowel+tonos from the basic Greek > > and Coptic range. > > > > is not really accurate? > > I would say so, to say the least, but I am still investigating. What > is sure is that tonos originally does not encode the same as oxia. > The former encodes a stress, while the latter encodes a pitch. This > is undisputable. That said, the fact that the Greek government did > decree that tonos shall be the same as oxia (to be taken cautiously, I > am not a specialist of modern Greek) surely introduced a lot of > confusion. > > For example, if one makes no distinction between the two, then it > becomes harder to analyse large corpuses with a computer. What do you mean by "makes no distinction"? Those are different codepoints, regardless of how they look on display. So we definitely _can_ distinguish between them.