From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21594: 25.0.50; (elisp): node `Variable Definitions' is not reachable by `i variable definition' Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 09:46:41 +0300 Message-ID: <83d0hogj3i.fsf@gnu.org> References: <> <<87v9vgg0vv.fsf@mouse.gnus.org>> <<83k1bwhepu.fsf@gnu.org>> <02aef894-7fda-4061-943e-24115490c85e@default> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="110949"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 21594@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 02 08:47:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1htRLI-000ShV-Tt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 08:47:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60646 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htRLH-00078R-CP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 02:47:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50853) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htRLD-00078L-Kk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 02:47:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1htRLC-00047x-Oo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 02:47:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46903) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1htRLC-00047f-Li for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 02:47:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htRLC-0004Xo-FH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 02:47:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 06:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 21594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21594.156472841617452 (code B ref 21594); Fri, 02 Aug 2019 06:47:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2019 06:46:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55724 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htRL5-0004XP-FR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 02:46:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38461) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htRL3-0004XA-RL for 21594@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 02:46:54 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50876) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1htRKy-0003rr-9h; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 02:46:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2383 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1htRKx-00011x-Mp; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 02:46:48 -0400 In-reply-to: <02aef894-7fda-4061-943e-24115490c85e@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 1 Aug 2019 13:07:20 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:164301 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 13:07:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 21594@debbugs.gnu.org > > > the assumption that someone might look up this > > node by its name, or be surprised that only > > defcustoms are described there, is misguided, IMO. > > No one made such an assumption, if by "look up" > you mean only `i'. But you just did: > Use `i' and you get to the right node for > `variable definition'. No problem there. > > Use `g' with completion and you get to the > wrong node for the same input. My point is exactly that this is a wrong analogy. When one uses 'g', one needs to know the node's name in advance, not use that name as a means for searching for some specific subject. The latter is done via 'i'. > It's that `g' is also useful, and node names should be helpful, not > misleading. They are, but by definition much less so than 'i'. And let's please stop this discussion here by agreeing to disagree, OK?