From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#47529: Make quoted entities stand out more in info Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2021 11:54:58 +0300 Message-ID: <83czvegza5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83tuoqh5ih.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7kqh292.fsf@gnu.org> <83ft0ah1fy.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2214"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 47529@debbugs.gnu.org To: scame Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 01 10:56:09 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lRt7Z-0000RK-50 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 10:56:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58270 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRt7X-0007BU-RL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 04:56:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45456) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRt7R-0007BM-W9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 04:56:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44730) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRt7R-0007ha-P6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 04:56:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lRt7R-0000mj-OA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 04:56:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2021 08:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 47529 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 47529-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B47529.16172673472987 (code B ref 47529); Thu, 01 Apr 2021 08:56:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 47529) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Apr 2021 08:55:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56275 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lRt7C-0000m7-UJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 04:55:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52348) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lRt7B-0000lt-NU for 47529@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 04:55:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50679) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRt75-0007T4-8p; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 04:55:39 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2988 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lRt6h-0004fU-7S; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 04:55:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from scame on Thu, 01 Apr 2021 08:30:33 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:203417 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2021 08:30:33 +0000 > From: scame > Cc: "47529@debbugs.gnu.org" <47529@debbugs.gnu.org> > > True, but first impression matters. Emacs' default appearance is like > it's stuck in the 80s. Emacs is from the 70s, but it doesn't mean it > can't have an appealing, polished default look. > > People coming from other tools like VSCode or IntelliJ often put off > by the face Emacs shows them the first time. Emacs is unlike those other tools, in that it's infinitely more customizable than any of them. It is also unique in that its development is not hierarchical, and therefore personal UI preferences get in the way of changing the defaults according to unilateral decisions of a single manager. Enough said. > if can show a prettier face (subjective) then maybe less people are > turned away before giving emacs a serious try. I'm skeptical because the likes of Spacemacs and Doom Emacs already exist to fill that niche. Given the time it typically takes us to change the defaults, by the time we do it, those new defaults are already "stuck in" whatever previous decade you fancy for the kind of unflattering language people tend to use in these cases.