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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Peter Münster" <pm@a16n.net>
Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49997@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#49997: 27.2; idle-time reset when switching desktop-page
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:36:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83czqb56i2.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87czqbi03a.fsf@a16n.net> (message from Peter Münster on Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:16:57 +0200)

> From: Peter Münster <pm@a16n.net>
> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,  Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
>   49997@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:16:57 +0200
> 
> > I can offer the attached trivial patch.  Peter, can you try it?
> 
> Thanks. Yes, it works as expected.
> 
> Now the question is: is this the right thing to do?
> 
> According to Eli
> (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2021-08/msg01016.html)
> it's not so clear.
> 
> But on the other side, focus-out events and mouse movements keep the
> "idleness" too. So I guess, that frame movements could fall in the same
> category...

FWIW, I think this is a slippery slope, let alone
backward-incompatible change.  If we want to go anywhere near this
method, I'd suggest to create a variable with a list of events ignored
for the idleness purposes, which users could customize according to
their preferences and usage patterns (and, it turns out, their WM).
That would at least let users some kind of fire escape, whereas
hard-coding arbitrary events that we happen not to like this week
doesn't.

Btw, idleness is not the only feature related to this gray area:
there's also while-no-input, input-pending-p, and throw-on-input, to
mention a few.  Should these be in sync?





  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-18 11:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-11  8:42 bug#49997: 27.2; idle-time reset when switching desktop-page Peter Münster
2021-08-11 11:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-11 12:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-15 14:18   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-15 14:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-15 14:36       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-15 14:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-15 14:59           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-15 16:17           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-15 16:46             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-15 16:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-15 17:12                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-15 17:39                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-15 16:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-15 17:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-15 17:09               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-18  8:02         ` martin rudalics
2021-08-18  9:16           ` Peter Münster
2021-08-18 11:36             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-08-18 14:36               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-20  8:19               ` martin rudalics
2021-08-20 10:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-22  8:24                   ` martin rudalics
2021-08-22  9:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-22 21:41                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-11  9:40                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-11 11:11                           ` martin rudalics
2021-10-11 11:20                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12  8:11                               ` martin rudalics
2021-10-11 11:33                             ` Peter Münster
2021-10-12  8:11                               ` martin rudalics
2021-08-15 20:02 ` Peter Münster
2021-08-15 20:16   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-16  7:22     ` Peter Münster
2021-08-16 11:43       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-16 11:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16 15:51         ` Peter Münster
2021-08-16 15:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16 16:42             ` Peter Münster
2021-08-16 16:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16 17:10                 ` Peter Münster
2021-08-16 17:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16 17:47                     ` Peter Münster
2021-08-16 18:08                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16 19:54                         ` Peter Münster

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