From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50950: [External] : bug#50950: "(emacs) Mark" should contrast to "selecting" text in other editors Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 21:55:33 +0300 Message-ID: <83czo4hk9m.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83pmsocyze.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilygc5e6.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilxxgitt.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee8khlts.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15831"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 50950@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 16 20:57:19 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mboru-0003uO-Up for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 20:57:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35498 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbort-0005gw-I5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:57:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47524) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mborf-0005et-3T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59750) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbore-0000Ql-QS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbord-0005G8-MT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:57:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50950 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 50950-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50950.163441056620147 (code B ref 50950); Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50950) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2021 18:56:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43063 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mboqk-0005Et-5D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:56:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45558) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mboqg-0005EM-DT for 50950@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:56:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56474) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mboqa-0007uA-Fo; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:55:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3593 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mboqB-0001Px-6h; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:55:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:33:45 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:217389 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > CC: "stefan@marxist.se" , > "50950@debbugs.gnu.org" > <50950@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:33:45 +0000 > > > > Point is just the current cursor position. You > > > move the cursor, not point. > > > > Not in Emacs. In Emacs, commands move point, and the cursor is then > > drawn to show where point is. > > Yes, in Emacs. In Emacs, users move the cursor, > which means that point changes. You don't see > point; you see the cursor. Point is a position: > the position of the cursor. > > We're talking to users, and we should use a user > point of view. User's point of view will not be served if we distort the reality while presenting it to the user. The notion of point and its movement is central to understanding Emacs, and realizing that changes like point motion come first, while display of the cursor comes later, is important to being able to extend Emacs and write Emacs Lisp programs.