From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: EBrowse obsolete? Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:26:42 +0300 Message-ID: <83czdzncy5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <72125fc3-358c-2f89-1cb6-16c4ff18185e@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20649"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 21 09:28:08 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oEQbP-0005Bx-2F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:28:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40780 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oEQbO-0005c7-1u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2022 03:28:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60676) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oEQaB-0004r3-Mg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2022 03:26:52 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47286) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oEQaB-0005Iz-9O; Thu, 21 Jul 2022 03:26:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=I67hCB5tMOa0AbpnGWx4kp4zPqFWwSOBZb3dSnPdCEo=; b=ZEvcM0GuQZrS4alnCbwb V8attCWINx2tGtg8wXEEB8PgdXRIHdIAcJIvU+mXPy/CTSPYzgUUZsq4wT6DzXgUQtJULG7mKaePS 8kEtfXdRO2zJ4seHvGDjyP1bS0y21DIN8/SE3UCe/kyQHluWKPxvvVcZJcvYloADpfGs9afQcPYlr M0Uyv/Yn4WPCqRXNxZZpgoK+MALU9g+eL7G4cH6TsXj0wlQpi8HwodZiTTn5oErRZ+TszUXNhyKWo eVeCu5wZ5zFbCebwwj5EUJWMozjmLZS0EOo45gVbxzil2DF+BfvqQbpmgV8wyTVp8Qbaj++l9ZQu+ NGpGG3z84L7epw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3538 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oEQa9-000397-9g; Thu, 21 Jul 2022 03:26:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <72125fc3-358c-2f89-1cb6-16c4ff18185e@gmail.com> (message from Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= on Thu, 21 Jul 2022 08:16:40 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:292333 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2022 08:16:40 +0200 > From: Gerd Möllmann > > I see that ebrowse is still in Emacs, which is something I wrote ~30 years ago. > > I wonder if that is still useful to anyone? > > Actually, in the time of language servers, ebrowse looks almost embarrasingly antiquated to me. Ebrowse is outdated and doesn't support current C++ standards. It would be nice to have ebrowse updated to support the current level of the C++ language, or at least close to that. Language servers are problematic for Emacs (I can say more if you are interested, but there are lots of discussions to find on the Internet): their use is relatively slow, and some of them present license-related issues. In any case, we don't yet have built-in support for them in Emacs (the package Eglot is supposed to be that, but it is not yet in core). So it would be nice to have a reasonably useful local solution, if possible. But if you think there's no hope for that to happen with ebrowse, I won't object obsoleting ebrowse.c and ebrowse.el.