From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 14:57:27 +0200 Message-ID: <83cz5gzruw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o7p5of4n.fsf@daniel-mendler.de> <871qm01s6n.fsf@web.de> <9fcf05e8-506c-6566-e214-2ecf3194b85e@daniel-mendler.de> <83bkl45ul4.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8j9zl3i.fsf@posteo.net> <83a60l13p2.fsf@gnu.org> <87ilf9571k.fsf@gmail.com> <87edpx56xm.fsf@gmail.com> <83wn3ozuyn.fsf@gnu.org> <83h6uszsvq.fsf@gnu.org> <1cfd0b10-546e-c2c9-272a-25d3cdd4ba82@daniel-mendler.de> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12061"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, michael_heerdegen@web.de, rpluim@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 62009@debbugs.gnu.org, arstoffel@gmail.com To: Daniel Mendler Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 10 13:58:28 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pacKJ-0002vT-Ql for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pacJd-0002v1-CS; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:57:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1cfd0b10-546e-c2c9-272a-25d3cdd4ba82@daniel-mendler.de> (message from Daniel Mendler on Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:45:11 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:257695 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:45:11 +0100 > Cc: philipk@posteo.net, michael_heerdegen@web.de, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > 62009@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com, arstoffel@gmail.com > From: Daniel Mendler > > > We disagree here, and this is a very fundamental disagreement, which > > basically means continuing this argument is pointless, since we have > > no common basis. > > I don't see that the disagreement is that strong. For example aset > signals an error if you try to access elements out of bounds. > > (aset "abc" 3 ?x) -> args-out-of-range yes, because that's a frequent programmatic mistake. > So there are clearly use cases where signaling an error is justified. Of course. It's just that the use case being discussed is not one of them. > In other cases you claim signaling an error is unjustified and a > crash is better. I said nothing of the kind. I said it was unjustified in the particular case which is being discussed here.