From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `send-mail-function' default change Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:26:37 +0300 Message-ID: <83box7pbg2.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1309979216 9768 80.91.229.12 (6 Jul 2011 19:06:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 19:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 06 21:06:52 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeXQy-0001Ix-3b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:06:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39399 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeXQw-0003xt-NS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:06:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55328) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVuR-0002T8-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:29:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVuM-0000Uu-3x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:29:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:55104) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVuL-0000Ud-Iw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:29:05 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LNX00F009TXWE00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:28:38 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.8.216]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LNX00F4F9VPUP50@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:28:38 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:141668 Archived-At: > From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:38:25 +0200 >=20 > As previously discussed, the default of `send-mail-function' change= s to > `sendmail-query-once'. I'm checking in this change in a few minute= s, > but you'll probably have to say "make clean; make" for it to happen= , > since it uses the special `custom-initialize-delay' initialiser, wh= ich > means that loaddefs.el has to change in some unspecified way. >=20 > Anyway, after this has happened in your Emacs, you will be prompted= for > how email is to be sent (once), and the choice will be saved via > `customize'. Please add to NEWS a detailed description of how to move the old smtpmail setup to the brave new world. Please don't just tell "follo= w the prompts", but describe what I need to do to have my current setup immediately operational after this change. I don't like being led by Customize, I like to have full control of what's written to my dot-files, so I want to do this manually. I'm quite sure I'm not the only one with that attitude. The current text in NEWS tells only part of the story; =C3=93scar's o= rdeal clearly indicates that it's incomplete and not detailed enough. Please make it more detailed and complete. Using email is a very fundamental part of using the Internet. Having an upgrade disable this ability is annoying to say the least. Let's not risk that. I think my setup is very similar of =C3=93scar's, btw. I have the following variables defined: smtpmail-smtp-server smtpmail-smtp-service smtpmail-auth-credentials The latter defines my username and password for logging into my ISP's SMTP server. I don't currently use STATTLS. TIA