From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git mirrors Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:43:31 +0200 Message-ID: <83botm43mk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8762k095n4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871uuksdxi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lissh32y.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87zkh8e286.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87d3e4gttq.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ehyjrhxh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d3e2rfte.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878voqfiaw.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83fwiy467z.fsf@gnu.org> <87ty7edyii.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318434233 31309 80.91.229.12 (12 Oct 2011 15:43:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 17:43:49 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RE0yC-0007ZZ-Et for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:43:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38022 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RE0yC-0004sx-1S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:43:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42601) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RE0y2-0004oO-L1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:43:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RE0xx-0004TY-2m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:43:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:47231) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RE0xw-0004TA-Rp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:43:33 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LSY00300MBC8K00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:43:30 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.51.78]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LSY003VBMCH3F20@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:43:30 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87ty7edyii.fsf@wanadoo.es> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:145028 Archived-At: > From: =C3=93scar Fuentes > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:23:49 +0200 >=20 > =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: >=20 > > It is the other way around: the infrastructure must adapt to the = needs > > of users, whenever there are enough technical and human resources= . If > > some Emacs hackers feel more at home with > > git/mercurial/whatever-other-Free-tool, why not simply provide it= ? >=20 > "enough technical and human resources" =3D=3D we have the machines,= the > bandwith and someone is willing to do the job. And those who are willing to do the job just did it. No one prevente= d them from doing so. What is the problem? I was answering your "why" question from the POV of Emacs as a project. The Emacs project does not need to do this job, IMO. Motivated volunteers can do it, if they want to, but the demands that the project invest any significant effort in this is unfair. > > And because providing every possible tool, just because someone f= eels > > more at home with it, when reasonable alternatives exist, is not = the > > norm in Free Software projects. What is not required from projec= ts > > that use git should not be required from projects that use bzr. >=20 > You talk about "required" as if someone were asking for a rule: > "projects who use bzr must provide git mirrors." That's not the cas= e and > you know it. It seems to be the rule in this case. I'm not involved in any other project whose main VCS is bzr to say more. > Why not support as much as possible as long as someone wishes to do= the > work? MSDOS anyone, Eli? You want it, you do the work, it keeps you > contributing, and that's good for Emacs. Why it is different with t= hose > who feel more comfortable (and productive!) using a different VC to= ol? It is different because if I stop maintaining the DOS port, it will cease to exist. By contrast, if we don't have a git gateway, Emacs sources are still accessible and development can continue unimpeded. > And if no project who uses git offers bzr too, maybe that's because= such > request is never made Wrong. I did request it once. I won't do that again because the reaction was nowhere as friendly as what you got here asking for git. > Not because there is some kind of attitude of git users towards bzr > users that should be corresponded. Given what I read here, I will have hard time believing in the absenc= e of "attitude". But that's me.