From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: visual line mode Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:41:57 +0200 Message-ID: <83bog67r96.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1350025008261-266925.post@n5.nabble.com> <838vbc85dy.fsf@gnu.org> <87a9vsjcsl.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <1350038115945-266940.post@n5.nabble.com> <7D26BCC2-3CEA-4109-878F-FEB13D2EED2B@Web.DE> <1350038885303-266943.post@n5.nabble.com> <395879E8-FD2F-4487-850D-0B2CECE37DF5@Web.DE> <83wqyv7rao.fsf@gnu.org> <7B153E83-F6E8-48ED-A6DF-905FB274C351@Web.DE> <83k3uv7ixg.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1350114124 9363 80.91.229.3 (13 Oct 2012 07:42:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 07:42:04 +0000 (UTC) To: Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 13 09:42:12 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TMwMK-0001Cd-D9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:42:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57155 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TMwMD-0005Jg-Ro for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 03:42:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34076) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TMwM8-0005JO-I6 for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 03:41:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TMwM7-0003kD-9Q for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 03:41:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:36495) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TMwM7-0003k7-12 for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 03:41:55 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MBT00B00MOJ3Z00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:41:53 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MBT00AEIMPTDFC0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:41:53 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:87227 Archived-At: > From: Peter Dyballa > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 00:06:13 +0200 > Cc: Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >=20 > > I think you are talking about bugs in early versions of the > > bidirectional display engine. >=20 > No, no, it still happens today. Maybe I am not finding the right wo= rds=85 The text cursor travels through every visible line of text, fo= r example hitting the columns 12, 59, 107, =85 also these positions a= ll belong to one long line of broken text. There is also no fixed rul= e by which the column number increases (or decreases when going towar= ds the top of the buffer). This is really disturbing, I instantly ass= umed column-number-mode was broken. You'd have to rethink that when you use visual-line-mode, those are features, not bugs. (Why do you care about how columns increase/decrease? For that matter, why do you turn on column-number-mode at all?) > And while I was testing this behaviour again it happened that I cou= ld not position by means of the mouse the cursor onto every column of= a long broken line, i.e., most columns, for example those of the fir= st part or the beginning of the broken line, could not be reached. I have no problem with this when I try it now. Does it happen for yo= u in "emacs -Q", if you just turn on visual-line-mode? > And there also lines segments containing the last part of a broken = line that cannot be reached at all, neither with the mouse nor by usi= ng the cursor movement keys=85=20 Are you again talking about putting the cursor beyond the text? That's impossible in Emacs. If you are talking about something else, please elaborate. > And although I removed any white space on the lines after the (blac= k) text had ended, I can see the cursor stay in that deleted white sp= ace: I cannot reproduce this. Can you give a recipe?