From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7842: acknowledged by developer (control message for bug 7842) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:50:48 +0200 Message-ID: <83bobn51dz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8739owi45n.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <87zjzfpx5j.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <87txpnpwqb.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <83fw178ah5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sj50m4hu.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1360792296 4653 80.91.229.3 (13 Feb 2013 21:51:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 7842@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jameson Graef Rollins Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 13 22:51:58 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kF8-00080U-M4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:51:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41987 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kEp-0002Eg-93 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:51:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39677) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kEk-0002Eb-Jy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:51:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kEi-0000iL-Rp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:51:30 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49175) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kEi-0000iH-O3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:51:28 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kFF-0002vR-JV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:52:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7842 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 7842-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7842.136079227611187 (code B ref 7842); Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:52:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2013 21:51:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54639 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kES-0002uL-Od for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:51:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:33985) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5kEN-0002uA-Ak for 7842@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:51:11 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MI600A00HWK4C00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 7842@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:50:33 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MI60094NI08VT50@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:50:33 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87sj50m4hu.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:71213 Archived-At: > From: Jameson Graef Rollins > Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 7842@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:51:41 -0800 > > > Why do you want to avoid it? What is the problem with using this > > method? > > For the exact same reasons you don't just send stdout to a temporary > file. It is exactly the same issue. Pretty much the whole point of > call-process is that it captures stdout to a buffer. But somehow the > logic that applies to stdout does not apply to stderr? That makes no > sense. If we feel it's important that users be able to capture stdout > into a buffer, then we should be able to capture stderr into a buffer > for exactly the same reasons. You _can_ capture stderr in a buffer, if you insert the file into a buffer. Why is it important how the stuff got into a buffer? > >> Is there some technical reason that it's impossible to just capture > >> the stderr to a separate buffer? > > > > It's possible, but it will complicate the API which is already quite > > complicated and hard to maintain for every platform Emacs supports. > > This also seems like a really bad justification for closing this as > "won't fix". It may be difficult, but it's still a legitimate feature > request. I didn't close it, but I can understand why it was closed: the reason for the feature is not important enough, as there's already a simple way of getting what you want.