From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:12:09 +0300 Message-ID: <83bne4lb46.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20150816160149.9416.80132@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <55D15899.2070105@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817173551.GB2634@acm.fritz.box> <20150818154857.GC2262@acm.fritz.box> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439921590 1541 80.91.229.3 (18 Aug 2015 18:13:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 18 20:12:55 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRlNW-00067T-Aw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:12:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58949 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRlNV-0001oV-Np for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:12:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47017) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRlNA-0001lB-25 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:12:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRlN6-0008B9-JJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:12:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:39567) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRlN6-0008AM-Bw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:12:28 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NTA00K00HOQMB00@mtaout24.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:04:14 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NTA00LINI721310@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:04:14 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.180 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188900 Archived-At: > From: Yuri Khan > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 23:08:27 +0600 > Cc: Paul Eggert , Dmitry Gutov , > Emacs developers > > I used to use Windows, including the Windows console, as my primary > environment. It displays most of the European part of Unicode > allright, once you configure it to use a TrueType or OpenType font. Europe is but a small part of the world, and the fonts available for that on the Windows console are ugly and hard to read. So these problems are much more significant than what you are trying to convince us. > curly quotes are unproblematic. Not true, see above. > Some applications (notably, ports of Unix utilities) have problems > displaying Unicode on the Windows console. That is a bug in those > applications. LOL. I have yet to see a native Windows port of a significant Unix utility that doesn't have that "bug". About the only one I know about is the stand-alone Info reader from the latest Texinfo 6.0 release. And once again, when all is said and done, and the ported code handles Unicode characters correctly when writing to the console, you are back at the console font problem I mentioned above: anything outside the European locales is downright impossible, and inside Europe you have only the ugly Lucida Console font. Let's not pretend this is easy, especially on Windows and in any other non-UTF-8 locale.