From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add prettify symbols to python-mode Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:32:04 +0300 Message-ID: <83bncrkhwb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1442777283-27514-1-git-send-email-mvoteiza@udel.edu> <20150921005306.GA29147@holos> <87h9mlwt6l.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83bnctliay.fsf@gnu.org> <874mik6wqp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443105185 29571 80.91.229.3 (24 Sep 2015 14:33:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xfq.free@gmail.com, Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 24 16:32:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zf7Zu-0002Uy-1d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 16:32:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39552 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zf7Zt-0001pa-3Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:32:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34570) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zf7Zp-0001o9-Q3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:32:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zf7Zo-0000Nq-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:32:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout25.012.net.il ([80.179.55.181]:36533) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zf7Zk-0000MN-G3; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:32:44 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout25.012.net.il by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NV600A00QRBHO00@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:29:07 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NV6000O2QWJMGA0@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:29:07 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <874mik6wqp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190332 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Achim Gratz , Emacs-devel > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:35:10 +0200 > > > BTW, I was just trying making an analysis of the this problem, and of > > course my analysis could be wrong. Do you have any idea why newcomers > > mostly prefer working on application-level code in Lisp? > > In my opinion that's a feature, not a bug. Elisp is there for a reason. > > > (Let's try and stay constructive. If we can find the causes, then we > > have the possibility to improve the current condition.) > > We have Elisp exactly in order not to have to address problems by > reverting to C programming. In my opinion it is entirely the wrong idea > to have people start solving problems in C because they prefer it to > Elisp. The main reason to solve problems in C is because there is no > reasonably workable solution to be created in Elisp. If beginners turn > to C first, they will not even know whether there would be a reasonably > workable solution available in Elisp. 110% agreement, of course. Lisp is always preferable when it's possible. My fears are that when Lisp cannot be used, people just punt and say it cannot (or won't) be done.