From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: lax matching is not a great default behavior Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 10:28:28 +0200 Message-ID: <83bna6ipn7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <837fl2qzs2.fsf@gnu.org> <83610ikvto.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449217762 10750 80.91.229.3 (4 Dec 2015 08:29:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 08:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Per =?utf-8?Q?Starb=C3=A4ck?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 04 09:29:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a4ljl-0007vA-PB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 09:29:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39381 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4ljl-0003qg-1W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 03:29:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34483) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4ljU-0003qI-N3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 03:28:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4ljQ-0007Rk-Na for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 03:28:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:51172) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4ljQ-0007RS-G2; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 03:28:44 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NYT00600R2YR100@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 10:27:47 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NYT00874RIAGB00@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 10:27:47 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:195853 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 23:27:00 +0100 > From: Per Starb=C3=A4ck > Cc: rms@gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com, Drew Adams ,=20 > =09"emacs-devel@gnu.org" >=20 > > If we are afraid users will hate this default, we can turn it off= in > > v25.1 and consider making it the default later. >=20 > That would be good I see no real reasons yet for such a decision. Character folding was introduced with the explicit goal of giving users what the other text-editing and word-processing environments provide, what they therefore are expected to expect. To revert that decision will take more than just "I think it's wrong" kind of posts. > Should it be "Ignore accents for search"? No, because ignoring accents is just a small part of character folding. Please take a look at character-fold.el for the details. > > Alternatively, we > > could quickly release Emacs 25.2 with character folding turned of= f if > > we see an outcry. But polling at this time will not be efficient= , > > IMO. >=20 > Not at all as good! To "quickly release" something doesn't mean tha= t > it is a quick change for users, who may keep using that version for= a > long time. If they are annoyed by a feature, they will upgrade quickly, I think.