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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: tags-loop-continue
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:54:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83bn8tmnvq.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5691D768.3020908@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:00:40 +0300)

> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:00:40 +0300
> 
>     tags-loop-continue is also used by Dired, see 'A' and 'Q' in
>     "Operating on Files".
> 
> I'm fairly sure these commands are more obscure, and used considerably less frequently than find-tag, or xref-find-definitions that's poised to replace it.

I think you've just heard from someone who evidently does use them:

  http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-01/msg00627.html

> C-, is too nice a key binding to spend on them.

You mean 'M-,', I presume.

> If we want to retain some global binding for tags-loop-continue, let's move it to C-*.

I'm afraid it won't go down well with the users of those commands.
Besides, 'C-*' is not available on TTYs.

>     Look at this from the user's POV: these two commands, as well as
>     tags-search and tags-query-replace, are still available, so users will
>     expect to be able to continue them as they did before.  How can we
>     explain to them that the keybinding for that command changed?
> 
> In the NEWS file, and in the manual?

I asked "how", not "where".  This command (tags-loop-continue) existed
before and had a keybinding; it will also exist in Emacs 25.1 -- how
do we explain that it now has a different keybinding, or no keybinding
at all?  What good reasons do we give for such a backward-incompatible
change in a veteran command?

>     Other than that, what technical solution is used to keep the command
>     and its keybinding available is unimportant, I think.
> 
> It doesn't seem like tags-search uses any special keymap during its execution.

I didn't talk about tags-search, I'm talking only about
tags-loop-continue.  I think it should remain an interactive command
(so it could be easily rebound and invoked by name), and it should be
bound to 'M-,' as it was before.  We will need to find a new binding
for xref-query-replace, which is unfortunate, but I don't see a better
way forward.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-01-10 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-09 19:36 tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-09 19:59 ` tags-loop-continue Ingo Lohmar
2016-01-09 20:22 ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-09 20:42   ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-09 20:49     ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-09 20:52       ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-09 21:19       ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-10  3:45         ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-10  4:00           ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-10  6:29             ` tags-loop-continue Drew Adams
2016-01-10 14:35               ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-10 15:26                 ` tags-loop-continue Ingo Lohmar
2016-01-10 16:09                   ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-10 16:08                 ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-10 16:18                   ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-10 17:53                 ` tags-loop-continue Drew Adams
2016-01-10 18:12                   ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-11  7:21                     ` tags-loop-continue Eric Abrahamsen
2016-01-10 15:54             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-01-10 16:14               ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-10 17:08                 ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-10 18:19                   ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-10 19:01                     ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-14  0:41                   ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-14 16:00                     ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-14 16:07                       ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-14 17:17                         ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-14 17:26                           ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-14 17:39                             ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-14 18:36                               ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-14 18:46                                 ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-14 18:31                             ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-14 18:44                               ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-14 19:02                                 ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-14 19:15                                   ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-14 19:18                                     ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-14 19:41                                     ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-14 20:09                                       ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-14 20:21                                         ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-18 19:19                                           ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-20 11:19                                             ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21  4:59                                               ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 17:02                                                 ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21 17:12                                                   ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 17:47                                                     ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21 18:58                                                       ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 19:02                                                         ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21 19:11                                                           ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 19:56                                                             ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21 20:15                                                               ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 20:36                                                                 ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21 21:17                                                                   ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 21:26                                                                     ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-22  6:59                                                                       ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-22 10:13                                                                         ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-22 14:08                                                                           ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-22 17:51                                                                             ` tags-loop-continue John Wiegley
2016-01-22 18:35                                                                               ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-24  1:26                                                                             ` next-error-function integration in xref removed Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-26 17:34                                                                               ` John Wiegley
2016-01-22  1:54                                                                   ` tags-loop-continue John Wiegley
2016-01-22  2:00                                                                     ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-22  5:34                                                                       ` tags-loop-continue John Wiegley
2016-01-21  5:15                                               ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-21 17:07                                                 ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-24  2:19                                                   ` xref and displaying locations in appropriate window or frame Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-24 10:55                                                     ` martin rudalics
2016-01-24 13:02                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-24 14:38                                                         ` martin rudalics
2016-01-24 14:53                                                           ` martin rudalics
2016-01-24 17:08                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-24 18:12                                                             ` martin rudalics
2016-01-24 19:01                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-25  9:50                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2016-01-25 17:04                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-25 18:18                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2016-01-25 19:28                                                                       ` Ingo Lohmar
2016-01-26 10:05                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2016-01-26 23:31                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-27  9:10                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2016-01-27 17:33                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-27 18:08                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2016-01-27 18:35                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-27 22:45                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2016-01-27 23:13                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-28  9:42                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2016-01-28 15:03                                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2016-01-29  0:05                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2016-01-29  7:27                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2016-01-29 23:36                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2016-01-29  1:57                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-29  7:27                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2016-01-29 13:59                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-29 23:40                                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2016-01-25 22:39                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-26 10:05                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2016-01-27  1:00                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-27  9:10                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2016-01-27 18:43                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-24 15:43                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-24 17:27                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-24 17:58                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-24 18:03                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-21  0:24                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-21 23:49                                                   ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-22 17:20                                                     ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-17 23:12                       ` tags-loop-continue Stefan Monnier
2016-01-18  1:37                         ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-18  2:20                           ` tags-loop-continue Stefan Monnier
2016-01-18  2:28                             ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-18  2:48                               ` tags-loop-continue Stefan Monnier
2016-01-18  2:57                                 ` tags-loop-continue Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-18 15:46                                   ` tags-loop-continue Eli Zaretskii

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