From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22467: 24.5; Doc "Delete Selection Mode" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:29:11 +0200 Message-ID: <83bn8819fs.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bn88a8cx.fsf@think.bvr.lan> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=shift_jis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1453832989 4556 80.91.229.3 (26 Jan 2016 18:29:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22467@debbugs.gnu.org To: "B.V. Raghav" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 26 19:29:38 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aO8Mz-000077-GI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:29:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45974 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO8My-0003pl-Qp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:29:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42087) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO8MR-0002s6-Md for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:29:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO8MQ-0005NX-OR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:29:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:49673) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO8MQ-0005NL-Jk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:29:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aO8MQ-0005Pj-DA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:29:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22467 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22467-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22467.145383293720800 (code B ref 22467); Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:29:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22467) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2016 18:28:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37893 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aO8ML-0005PQ-9m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:28:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50925) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aO8MJ-0005PD-9n for 22467@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:28:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO8MA-0005Cg-2U for 22467@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:28:50 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41294) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aO8MA-0005CU-0E; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:28:46 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1475 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aO8M8-0005Bs-2i; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:28:45 -0500 In-reply-to: <87bn88a8cx.fsf@think.bvr.lan> (bvraghav@iitk.ac.in) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112007 Archived-At: > From: "B.V. Raghav" > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:57:42 +0530 > > This is a documentation enhancement request: > > Where: (emacs)Top > Mark > Using Region > `C-h i d m Emacs RET m Using Region RET` > > What: > Change the paragraph from: > > By default, text insertion occurs normally even if the mark is > active\for example, typing eaf inserts the character eaf, then > deactivates the mark. If you enable Delete Selection mode, a minor > mode, then inserting text while the mark is active causes the text in > the region to be deleted first. To toggle Delete Selection mode on > or off, type eM-x delete-selection-modef. > > Change to: > > By default, text insertion occurs normally even if the mark is > active\for example, typing eaf inserts the character eaf, then > deactivates the mark. > > On the other hand, if you enable Delete Selection mode, a minor > mode, then inserting text while the mark is active causes the text in > the region to be deleted first. To toggle Delete Selection mode on > or off, type eM-x delete-selection-modef. > > Rationale: > > I essentially only introduced a paragraph change and an > interjection. However, I believe that is necessary to make the > distinction between the words `deactivate' and `delete' which are > confused to be similar in the flow of reading. > > To illustrate, read the following successively: > `inserts the character eaf, then deactivates the mark' > `inserting [...] causes the text [...] to be deleted first' > > Though different words, `deactivate' and `delete', they get minced > in the quick read, and are at least mistaken to be of similar > behaviour, which is potentially misleading. And the fact is > `deactivate'-ing the mark is normal behaviour of emacs, and > `delete'-ing is a special behaviour for intended folks. > > Inspiration: > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help/108581 > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help/108583 > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help/108591 I made a slight change in the wording, to make the meaning more clear. I don't really understand how "delete text" and "deactivate mark" can be confused with one another, though.