From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23785: Emacs 25: "Undo" overdoes things. Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 22:02:07 +0300 Message-ID: <83bn2y9v80.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20160617150245.GB3316@acm.fritz.box> <83r3bvbuu1.fsf@gnu.org> <20160617174535.GD3316@acm.fritz.box> <83oa6zbmvd.fsf@gnu.org> <87ziqjwkrb.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83eg7vaq3z.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466276545 7143 80.91.229.3 (18 Jun 2016 19:02:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 19:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, 23785@debbugs.gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 18 21:02:13 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bELVU-0005bp-EE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 21:02:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36070 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bELVT-0004cJ-Hh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:02:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36022) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bELVN-0004bk-EY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:02:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bELVK-0007ZI-BL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:02:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:33096) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bELVK-0007ZE-7s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:02:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bELVK-0005dt-1a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:02:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 19:02:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23785 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23785-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23785.146627648721645 (code B ref 23785); Sat, 18 Jun 2016 19:02:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23785) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jun 2016 19:01:27 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45433 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bELUk-0005d3-Rb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:01:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44952) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bELUi-0005cn-Di for 23785@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:01:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bELUa-0007Vg-Aq for 23785@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:01:19 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37985) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bELUa-0007Va-7S; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:01:16 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1972 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bELUX-0008Fm-2P; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:01:14 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:42:07 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:119752 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord), acm@muc.de, 23785@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:42:07 -0400 > > > I'd indeed suggest to have on emacs-25 a change that only affects > > revert-buffer, and have the above on master. It sounds too scary to > > make a change that affects all commands this late in the pretest. > > FWIW, this change you say is scary brings the behavior much closer > to that of Emacs<25, so I think it's the safer choice. My concern is not with the behavior the proposed change intends to get us, the concern is with the unintended consequences of the change. At this late stage, I'd like to keep the risk of unintended consequences to the minimum, unless we want this change so badly we agree to extend the pretesting by another month or two.