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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
Cc: charles@aurox.ch, 25265@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#25265: make-thread crashes in OS X 10.6
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 13:13:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83bmvxwrp4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161227104424.GA45039@breton.holly.idiocy.org> (message from Alan Third on Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:44:24 +0000)

> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:44:24 +0000
> From: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
> Cc: charles@aurox.ch, 25265@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> OK, I’ve ended up just using printf and it looks like in this thread
> current_thread is null.

This happens in only one place: run_thread, after a thread exits.  And
yes, it's a bad idea to rely on current_thread being non-NULL in code
that is run when other threads could be running.

More generally, this means calling unbind_to, i.e. unwinding the Lisp
stack, is not going to work in this context at all, because that in
effect runs Lisp when more than one thread could run their code.

> > > >     [NSApp run];
> > > > 
> > > > Can this part and its surrounding code be made thread-safe?
> > > 
> > > I think this particular method call has to be done *only* from the
> > > main thread. I imagine that could be a problem.
> > 
> > It could be a problem, yes.  But what does this do, exactly, and why
> > does it need to be called as part of ns_select?
> 
> It runs an event loop that picks up all GUI events and then dispatches
> them. It’s part of NextStep. It’s unclear to me why it’s run in
> ns_select, but presumably it’s because it needs to be run somewhere
> and whoever wrote it thought that was a good place.
> 
> If we need to, I expect we could move it to its own thread. That seems
> to be a known pattern in the GNUStep/Cocoa world.

That's probably the only reasonable way.  But why does it use
record_unwind_protect and unbind_to in the first place?  What happens
if the user presses C-g while the event loop runs?

> I’m pretty sure that Emacs doesn’t even use ns_select when it’s run
> in the terminal, though.

Actually, I think it has to use ns_select, because subprocesses are
still supported on a text terminal, and reading their output calls
ns_select.  Likewise network connections.





  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-27 11:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-24 11:06 bug#25265: make-thread crashes in OS X 10.6 Charles A. Roelli
2016-12-24 17:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-25 15:52   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-26 13:09     ` Alan Third
2016-12-26 15:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-26 20:56         ` Alan Third
2016-12-27  7:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-27 10:44             ` Alan Third
2016-12-27 11:13               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-12-28 19:36                 ` Alan Third
2016-12-29 17:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-30 18:45                     ` Alan Third
2016-12-30 21:08                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-30 22:05                         ` Alan Third
2016-12-31  9:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-31 16:09                             ` bug#25265: [PATCH] Rework NS event handling (bug#25265) Alan Third
2016-12-31 16:25                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-31 16:46                                 ` Alan Third
2017-01-01 15:03                               ` Alan Third
2017-01-01 15:42                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-06 20:02 ` bug#25265: make-thread crashes in OS X 10.6 Alan Third
2017-03-08 20:17   ` Charles A. Roelli
2017-03-14 14:49     ` Alan Third
2017-05-02 20:49 ` Alan Third
2017-06-12 19:32   ` Charles A. Roelli
2017-06-13 20:46     ` Alan Third
2017-06-15 18:57       ` Charles A. Roelli
2017-06-15 19:04         ` Alan Third
2017-06-15 19:14           ` Noam Postavsky
2017-06-16 19:45           ` Alan Third
2017-06-16 20:05             ` Noam Postavsky
2017-06-16 20:51               ` Alan Third
2017-06-18 13:05                 ` Charles A. Roelli
2017-06-18 14:01                   ` Alan Third
2017-06-19 18:34                     ` Charles A. Roelli
2017-07-01 12:04                       ` Alan Third
2017-07-04  6:59                         ` Charles A. Roelli
2017-07-04 12:04                           ` npostavs
     [not found]                             ` <20170705193642.GA18888@breton.holly.idiocy.org>
2017-07-06  9:25                               ` Charles A. Roelli
2017-07-06 17:10                               ` Charles A. Roelli

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