From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#34765: 26.1; with-temp-buffer should not run buffer-list-update-hook Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 10:21:32 +0300 Message-ID: <83blzv7y4j.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5C7FD591.9090505@gmx.at> <83lg1sc8ob.fsf@gnu.org> <5C8009F3.5000405@gmx.at> <767e1b59-6ac2-cd11-076e-82a56ac53e29@gmx.at> <11be4631-b087-52a3-92fe-4cbd5248908d@gmx.at> <838svxxk41.fsf@gnu.org> <49c11920-0909-dcc2-4a39-4cdcfaf20453@gmx.at> <87lfzwg04h.fsf@tcd.ie> <87ftp9jl8q.fsf@tcd.ie> <5f39dc18-e4d4-dfbc-3bed-18542a10aedb@gmx.at> <87v9y4p7c6.fsf@tcd.ie> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="194015"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 34765@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, alexanderm@web.de To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 22 09:22:14 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hTLZm-000oJU-Ep for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 May 2019 09:22:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37619 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTLZl-0008Jv-4B for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:22:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47395) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTLZd-0008Hg-9x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:22:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTLZb-0008LH-G2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:22:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:56168) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTLZa-0008Hf-31 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:22:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hTLZZ-00080I-SQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:22:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 07:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34765 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 34765-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34765.155850969630736 (code B ref 34765); Wed, 22 May 2019 07:22:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 34765) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2019 07:21:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41479 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hTLZA-0007zf-F0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:21:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32893) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hTLZ8-0007zU-Uq for 34765@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:21:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:32788) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTLZ2-0007Vy-Vf; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:21:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1550 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hTLZ2-0002IT-3A; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:21:28 -0400 In-reply-to: <87v9y4p7c6.fsf@tcd.ie> (contovob@tcd.ie) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:159633 Archived-At: > From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 34765@debbugs.gnu.org, alexanderm@web.de, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA > Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 08:58:17 +0100 > > The possibilities for the buffer creation subroutine are either to act > specially on certain buffer name prefixes, or to accept an extra > argument indicating what to do, no? Are there any others? There was > mention of exposing a buffer-local variable to Elisp, but IIRC setting > that after creating the buffer would already be too late. > > Buffer names starting with spaces are already special in some contexts, > so extending that idea for inhibiting buffer hooks doesn't sound too > bad, but the extra flag seems equally elegant and more > backward-compatible. Am I missing something? The flag in the C structure has the advantage that it can be easily set and reset from C without the need to temporarily bind Lisp variables, which then involves unwind-protect forms etc., and as a side effect makes the entire operation slower. Also, a flag can be set/reset regardless of whether the buffer already finished being created, whereas buffer-local variables must have a live buffer.