From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41497: 28.0.50; Flawed text formatting of files like etc/TODO, etc/NEWS, etc. Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 17:54:09 +0300 Message-ID: <83blm2g7la.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wo51voa8.fsf@bzg.fr> <83y2p9l7vi.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfl7jo31.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="69156"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 41497@debbugs.gnu.org To: Bastien Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 01 16:55:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jflqH-000Hrh-D2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 16:55:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56508 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jflqG-00065J-Bo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:55:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41650) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jflqA-000653-K9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:55:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:53406) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jflqA-0000Mw-Ap for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:55:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jflqA-0007AA-9L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:55:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 14:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41497 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 41497-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41497.159102325527476 (code B ref 41497); Mon, 01 Jun 2020 14:55:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41497) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2020 14:54:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36719 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jflpO-000795-Mq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:54:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34088) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jflpN-00078t-7C for 41497@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:54:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50354) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jflpH-0000H6-U0 for 41497@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:54:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2299 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jflpG-0002Mj-Q4; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:54:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87lfl7jo31.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Bastien on Mon, 01 Jun 2020 08:29:38 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:181339 Archived-At: > From: Bastien > Cc: 41497-done@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 08:29:38 +0200 > > > As for etc/NEWS, we usually > > fix it shortly before the release, so please look at NEWS on the > > emacs-27 branch, and if you see problems there, please point them > > out. > > I have seen some problems, like sentences that start as the headline > and continue as the paragraph below. > > Shall I fix these in emacs-27 directly? Yes, please. > Temporary note: > +++ indicates that all relevant manuals in doc/ have been updated. > --- means no change in the manuals is needed. > When you add a new item, use the appropriate mark if you are sure it > applies, and please also update docstrings as needed. > > So, +++ both mean that no action is needed, either because the manuals > have been updated already or because they don't need any update. If > this is meant as a call to action for Emacs maintainers, what is it > (since both say that things are okay)? If this is meant to the users, > what info is conveyed here? What means "Temporary note": is it > because --- and +++ are removed right before the release? It's the entries that don't have any markers that are noteworthy. These markers are a reminder for when Emacs is released: "Someone" should go through the entries which have neither "+++" not "---" marker, and decide whether any manuals need to be updated due to that change. These markers are removed as part of preparing the release tarball, so they never appear in a released Emacs > What about getting rid of --- and +++ in these files and moving the > message is conveys (about the need for an update of the manuals) in > the etc/TODO file, or in a dedicated etc/PRERELEASE file? That'd be inconvenient: the person who does the job of updating the documentation, usually yours truly, will have to look at two files instead of just one. Why are those markers a problem?