From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46627: [PATCH] Add new help command 'describe-command' Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 18:49:44 +0200 Message-ID: <83blcezntj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835z2o4fes.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18326"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rms@gnu.org, 46627@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 20 17:51:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDVTS-0004fK-4o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 17:51:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50492 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDVTR-0001XL-6Z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 11:51:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53374) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDVTD-0001Wu-Mv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 11:51:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:41164) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDVTB-0002AJ-QT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 11:51:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lDVTB-0006Gr-Nz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 11:51:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 16:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46627 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 46627-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46627.161383982024055 (code B ref 46627); Sat, 20 Feb 2021 16:51:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2021 16:50:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52710 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lDVSV-0006Fv-S9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 11:50:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35306) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lDVSS-0006Ff-LZ for 46627@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 11:50:17 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47079) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDVSN-0001jW-4M; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 11:50:11 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4143 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lDVSC-0008Dg-NJ; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 11:50:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 20 Feb 2021 10:39:14 -0600) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:200444 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 10:39:14 -0600 > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, 46627@debbugs.gnu.org > > Consider the situation when a user doesn't already know the command > name. The workflow today is something like: use `M-x' to find the > command name, `C-a C-k C-g', then `C-h f C-y'. Not according to the user manual, it isn't. AFAIR, Emacs never meant completion to be a means of discovery. The discovery was always meant to be through "apropos" commands. > So the idea is to combine searching for commands with looking up their > documentation. I'm not sure this is a good idea, FWIW. For starters, it is limited: if you spot a command whose name sounds relevant, you have no simple way getting details about it. Unlike apropos commands, which do provide such ways.