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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
Cc: max.brieiev@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 58429@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#58429: 29.0.50; inhibit-automatic-native-compilation does not work as expected.
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:17:04 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83bkqd78fj.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xjf5ygmyxm6.fsf@ma.sdf.org> (message from Andrea Corallo on Fri,  14 Oct 2022 20:10:57 +0000)

> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
> Cc: max.brieiev@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 58429@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 20:10:57 +0000
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >   If non-nil enable primitive trampoline synthesis.
> >   This makes primitive functions redefinable or advisable effectively.
> >
> > which seems to hint that when this is nil, primitives cannot be
> > advised or redefined?
> 
> They can, but they will not take effect on Lisp code that is native
> compiled (at speed 2), similarly to when they are called from C code.
> 
> > We set this variable to nil in startup.el if
> > native-comp-available-p returns nil (which currently can only happen
> > on MS-Windows), AFAIU with the intent to prevent Emacs from even
> > trying to natively-compile anything, including trampolines.  But if
> > Emacs cannot produce a trampoline, it means that primitives cannot be
> > redefined, and we silently fail that?  Because (again, AFAIU)
> > native-comp-available-p being nil does not prevent Emacs from loading
> > *.eln files that are already compiled (because just loading them
> > doesn't need libgccjit), is that right?
> 
> Correct, as you said Emacs will work, only we can't guarantee that
> primitive redefinition will take the effect expected by the user (unless
> of course trampolines were precompiled, in that case it's all good).

Thanks.  I therefore extended the doc string of this variable (on the
emacs-28 branch) to make this crystal clear.





  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-15  9:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-11  7:21 bug#58429: 29.0.50; inhibit-automatic-native-compilation does not work as expected Max Brieiev
2022-10-11  8:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11  9:19   ` Max Brieiev
2022-10-11 19:37     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-11 19:41       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 20:49         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-12 10:57           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-12 11:15             ` Max Brieiev
2022-10-12 11:30               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-12 11:57                 ` Max Brieiev
2022-10-12 12:59                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-12 13:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 14:11                     ` Max Brieiev
2022-10-12 15:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 16:54                         ` Max Brieiev
2022-10-12 17:07                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-13 14:10                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-13 16:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 20:10                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  9:17                                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-10-15 16:01                                   ` Andrea Corallo

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