From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58472: [PATCH] Make `message-unique-id' less prone to collisions Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2022 17:05:28 +0300 Message-ID: <83bkq91b2v.fsf@gnu.org> References: <871qr794o2.fsf@rfc20.org> <87ilki70p5.fsf@rfc20.org> <8fba11c5-c4b7-65ef-9b00-51799203d324@cs.ucla.edu> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37930"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: matt@rfc20.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, 58472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 18 16:07:43 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oknFv-0009fR-6p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 16:07:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40660 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oknFt-0004T6-I7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:07:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34712) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oknFI-0004Ix-DU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:07:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:54568) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oknFG-00038o-Ns for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:07:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oknFG-0005mO-IU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:07:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2022 14:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 58472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58472.166610199622180 (code B ref 58472); Tue, 18 Oct 2022 14:07:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2022 14:06:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53646 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oknEp-0005lg-VU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:06:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44952) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oknEn-0005lS-UN for 58472@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:06:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45668) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oknEg-00035f-C3; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:06:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=GP2mL+ynj3LO0N0Oy18exNE02ffHulsRIIUx5/BvAqI=; b=Z0im43iaSwKp k04KjzLtyDr5v14NaCyRvv1BKaWiX/p0ZMtBosh6L9xXbYUDVNBatMj4sflj4c8PRMtcdK2lR3LCv eNvGO5c3jRhF2oQTPQhvAx1lGD3oXStnmOfI7239XzpVUsfpuqzo8hsiR/2JExXCvWAz7relR+Eos hb9eKdepvoB4N6eqv51XFjO2x6yws9vkYoNJVeoqLYPOU6pyCqO2kGnMGCEJiWSAGc5a9Ca+fkAVj Pb5PfvsPMi/JJKC+sx9jML1s7UzcA99yXXwibHYyuG8qf7dF/4MWyg4D/wIwepj8DVChNAh1oZie2 49Pa3QNqk0HVBtiNMAMUwg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3634 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oknDt-0002NY-Fh; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:06:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8fba11c5-c4b7-65ef-9b00-51799203d324@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Mon, 17 Oct 2022 18:38:48 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245798 Archived-At: > Cc: 58472@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 18:38:48 -0700 > From: Paul Eggert > > > I like it. > > Eli doesn't, so I'll drop the idea for now. I didn't realize we were > close to releasing 29.1, and I agree with Eli that adding a make-nonce > primitive is not something to do close to a release. I actually don't mind adding a new primitive, and Lars says it could be useful. A new primitive cannot do any harm; all I'm asking is not to start using it right away in places where we have solid code that worked for years. And the particular feature for which make-nonce was intended in this case definitely doesn't need it. However, I would like to have at least a short discussion of the potential needs for make-nonce, and to have it in a separate thread, so that we could be all on the same page about its need, use, and semantics.