From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#59275: Unexpected return value of `string-collate-lessp' on Mac Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 09:23:03 +0200 Message-ID: <83bkowyfxk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zgcsdfma.fsf@localhost> <83iljgib4w.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6z0cl6b.fsf@localhost> <837czwi6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <8735ajel7y.fsf@localhost> <83mt8rgill.fsf@gnu.org> <877czokbpk.fsf@localhost> <8335ac4eo5.fsf@gnu.org> <87ilj7dbms.fsf@localhost> <83sfib172p.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6yqhs4l.fsf@localhost> <835yf5zpir.fsf@gnu.org> <87wn7lay6m.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24884"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 59275@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 24 08:23:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6Zp-0006Cu-2X for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 08:23:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6Zc-000771-5p; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 02:23:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6Za-00076k-Fw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 02:23:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6Za-0008J8-7b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 02:23:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6Za-0003KN-2r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 02:23:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 07:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59275 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 59275-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59275.166927457312755 (code B ref 59275); Thu, 24 Nov 2022 07:23:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 59275) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2022 07:22:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57030 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6ZQ-0003Je-SD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 02:22:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33988) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6ZP-0003JP-4c for 59275@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 02:22:51 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6ZI-0008Hn-7B; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 02:22:45 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=u3FloXWkVNBVdgPMB+r5iZOSqcUzHfPq8UMc5XkJFMk=; b=GqPrxjr3m1r07GZKqlcK XbxHcZs5jsF37MC6PA/jy9R94TosaHxaC5Msy9jGE5EbqORg92iMEpmaRL41Cngo4aNPwHbLShvHk 1RiPRxLgN+GGEKynaCIHMIYOSKLku0BiW1pzN6COBQGnu+ZVds4Zh2SlAuLRWzVlb8zsMbuUlH8Ho kpeHhjXU+ZxFibSN4bZj66w7w9F+GJ+znoQ/NAKzrvrQWecLvmwuUsjiTQtot6GJYLBUHaoYHJPlU SdSZQ+Sv3H3WE/dP7jUqvHRLXgBl4y6Mpseq0iZO6Llcf7WNvGLGKKEv+NStAjyo+iTt+F4y/iMUF 86qDYwTyOWKSsw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6ZH-0001AR-9w; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 02:22:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87wn7lay6m.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Thu, 24 Nov 2022 02:22:41 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:248821 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: 59275@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 02:22:41 +0000 > > > There should be no verbatim copies of doc strings in the manual. So I'm not > > interested in making that bad practice easier ;-) > > What about forgetting to update the manual when important changes are > made to the docstring? I know for certain that it happened many times > with Org manual. Maybe something can be done to auto-check if updates > were done to the docstring but not the manual? That could be a useful feature, suitable for checkdoc.el, perhaps. But there are 2 issues here that I'm not sure how would such a feature handle: . not every symbol that has a doc string is mentioned in the manuals . the doc string and the text in the manual are generally different, and so it could be that the update to a doc string doesn't require any update to the manual text So a naïve implementation would probably have too many false positives. Not sure if this could render the feature useless. Bottom line: I'm not sure we can have a good automated way of detecting updates that were missed, except at patch review time, and that is a judgment call by the person who does the review, and relies on his/her vigilance. But if someone could come up with a good way of doing that, it will be appreciated.