From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: casouri@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, larsi@gnus.org,
theo@thornhill.no, jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Make all tree-sitter modes optional
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 20:40:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83bkmx2ef2.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e8bc12a6-8a7c-4581-ceec-88beecac93a9@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 17 Jan 2023 20:21:18 +0200)
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 20:21:18 +0200
> Cc: casouri@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, larsi@gnus.org,
> theo@thornhill.no, jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
>
> +The new modes based on tree-sitter are for now entirely optional, and
> +you must turn them on manually, or load them in your init file, or
> +customize 'auto-mode-alist' to turn them on automatically for certain
> +files.
>
> I thought there would be something more in the docs, given that the new
> behavior is unusual.
What do you suggest to add?
> But I see you are referring to auto-mode-alist here, modifying which
> will still be necessary for js-ts-mode and python-ts-mode. Which will
> touch a lot of users, possibly even the majority of tree-sitter
> enthusiasts, given that JS and Python are some of the most popular
> languages these days.
>
> And yet you rejected my counter-proposal claiming (if I got your
> position right) that modying auto-mode-alist is difficult/annoying/etc
> for an average user. To quote:
>
> - Customizing auto-mode-alist is not the easiest task, it
> requires good knowledge of Emacs regexps and alists. So
> asking anyone who wants to try using the tree-sitter modes to
> do that is not the best idea from the POV of user-friendliness.
>
> So which is it?
Both. I mention auto-mode-alist as the last alternative, for those
who are fine with going that way. It isn't black-and-white.
> To "try out" tree-sitter modes, the users can 'M-x js-ts-mode' or etc
> either way. But to switch to the said mode, they will need to deal with
> auto-mode-alist, again, without any alternative.
That's specific to js-ts-mode (and one other, I think) because they
share the .el file with a non-tree-sitter mode. If there's a
reasonable way to give them separate files, things would be easier.
But this is not a documentation issue, first and foremost.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-17 18:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-01-04 14:48 bug#60559: 29.0.60; "Cannot activate tree-sitter" spam Eric Gillespie
2023-01-04 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-04 19:40 ` Daniel Martín via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-04 20:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 0:43 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-05 6:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 7:06 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05 7:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 8:00 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05 8:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 8:40 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05 8:42 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05 8:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 8:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 9:05 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05 7:57 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2023-01-05 8:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 8:32 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2023-01-05 8:44 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-05 8:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-05 9:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 8:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 13:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-05 14:02 ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-15 14:01 ` Make all tree-sitter modes optional Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-15 23:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 7:43 ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-01-16 16:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 12:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-16 13:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-16 14:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 14:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 12:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 13:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 14:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 15:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 17:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 17:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 17:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 18:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-01-17 18:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 19:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18 1:11 ` Yuan Fu
2023-01-18 1:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18 3:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18 12:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18 14:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18 14:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18 12:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-01-17 17:34 ` treesit-forward-sexp (was: Make all tree-sitter modes optional) Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 17:40 ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-01-17 18:17 ` treesit-forward-sexp Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 17:50 ` treesit-forward-sexp (was: Make all tree-sitter modes optional) Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 17:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-16 1:12 ` Make all tree-sitter modes optional Po Lu
2023-01-17 17:30 ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 17:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 18:19 ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-14 19:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-14 19:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-14 21:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-15 15:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 17:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-15 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 20:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-16 5:41 ` tomas
2023-02-16 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 22:05 ` Yuan Fu
[not found] ` <87v8k2g04m.fsf@dick>
2023-02-15 20:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <87mt5eegkw.fsf@dick>
2023-02-16 7:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 8:52 ` Po Lu
2023-02-15 21:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-17 13:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-17 13:37 ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 13:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-17 14:16 ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 14:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-17 14:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-17 15:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <8735741fic.fsf@dick>
2023-02-17 15:41 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-17 16:04 ` Make all tree-sitter modes optional Stefan Kangas
2023-02-17 17:42 ` Morgan Willcock
2023-02-17 15:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-17 13:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
[not found] ` <d4c1a7f6-b5bf-f4f3-8d79-1c6b1d07cf70@yandex.ru>
2023-02-17 14:22 ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 14:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-17 15:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-15 18:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 19:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-15 19:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 19:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 19:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 21:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16 7:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 9:49 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2023-02-16 11:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 14:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 16:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 19:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 20:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16 5:45 ` tomas
2023-02-16 8:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 10:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-16 12:38 ` Po Lu
2023-02-16 12:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-15 20:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 7:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 7:53 ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-02-16 8:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 8:46 ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-02-16 11:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 11:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 14:48 ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2023-02-16 14:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 15:15 ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-02-15 23:48 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-02-16 2:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 19:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 19:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 21:06 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2023-02-16 7:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 18:25 ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-04 19:59 ` bug#60559: 29.0.60; "Cannot activate tree-sitter" spam Stephen Berman
2023-01-04 20:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-04 20:33 ` Stephen Berman
2023-01-05 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 7:46 ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-05 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 14:59 ` Eric Gillespie
2023-01-22 13:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-01-19 16:53 Re: Make all tree-sitter modes optional Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-20 8:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-20 16:31 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-20 19:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21 11:30 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-21 11:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22 6:23 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-22 6:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22 10:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-18 7:55 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-03-11 12:45 ` Ongaro
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