From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 19:21:48 +0300 Message-ID: <83bkeri1cz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83350ncbns.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyzrjbd8.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83zg2vav46.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j99304.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmxj27fn.fsf@dfreeman.email> <831qfrptiq.fsf@gnu.org> <57429221-d9be-5791-e975-b3539905e2f6@gutov.dev> <83a5udlj47.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5udk1co.fsf@posteo.net> <835y51kslv.fsf@gnu.org> <7a82c524-1aa1-e755-e377-673ebb107a44@gutov.dev> <83r0nok8s4.fsf@gnu.org> <87il90znco.fsf@yahoo.com> <1977fbef-307b-bcf4-9448-64f26916dd65@gutov.dev> <87edjozlqq.fsf@yahoo.com> <43ddad10-49dd-1c49-ebfe-51689780b315@gutov.dev> <87msyciplu.fsf@posteo.net> <83h6okk3oe.fsf@gnu.org> <87edjoindn.fsf@posteo.net> <83bkesjwuk.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24955"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: bozhidar@batsov.dev, philipk@posteo.net, dmitry@gutov.dev, luangruo@yahoo.com, danny@dfreeman.email, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org To: Lynn Winebarger Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 28 18:23:08 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qaf18-0006Be-IG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 18:23:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaf0O-0005VW-Ei; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:22:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaf0M-0005V1-9m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:22:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaf0J-0002vZ-2Y; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:22:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=+UcJk2IQ0t6+0C1Nx9rigTMvS4n6awNZYkNY69rgprY=; b=pocD3JEQ1VZVaB3PlYXx 1/WwMdCb7Z+opawuvIvbASzKMeeMegQKmlmYYRom5DElwoAYu0svjN5WXV7+fKs98pdDxfl3vRz3U b/01HgVfXJfCYvMqgsn74VUiw/KGJxrB0CHArmngTxy4otG2xcHktiRRqoTA5yHco9RKMXvtASGYQ Kyl0EO97pOpVFbhXXQ++Q87CXam0G+uamnILDue0d1Hybee+FaxKRUKtb4Uw0WJdneLMf0fqSglSJ xWqpvVRsTMFhJHRirjE9yRj8zzV59x5n6o/EkR3y7ntG8biUdPicpqOrvjMr0Q++cc2rh/M9OgVTc eLkrId9lzUzK4g==; In-Reply-To: (message from Lynn Winebarger on Mon, 28 Aug 2023 11:22:21 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309445 Archived-At: > From: Lynn Winebarger > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 11:22:21 -0400 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Philip Kaludercic , dmitry@gutov.dev, > luangruo@yahoo.com, danny@dfreeman.email, > Stefan Kangas , Emacs Devel , > Manuel Uberti > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 1:39 PM Bozhidar Batsov wrote: > > I believe this conversation has drifted a lot from the original topic (clojure-ts-mode). I have to say I'm a bit frustrated that every time someone wants to submit something to NonGNU ELPA there's some push to either submit to GNU ELPA or core instead. I've been maintaining almost all of the Clojure dev tooling for Emacs for over a decade, so I do believe that by now I know what I'm doing and how I want to do things. I've said a million times by now that I don't want contributors to have to deal with copyright agreements and with quirks/oddities in the Emacs development process. I believe that the maintainers who actually work on something should be allowed to decide how their projects get developed. > > > If it wasn't for the copyright assignment requirement, there wouldn't > be a real issue blocking the incorporation of clojure-mode into core > emacs. That's a far cry from what the above actually says. They also don't want to deal with the "quirks/oddities" of the Emacs development process. They quite simply do NOT want clojure-mode to be part of Emacs. The CA part is just one part of that, and I'm guessing not the main one.