From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64046: 30.0.50; Quoting in customize choice tags Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2023 09:16:54 +0300 Message-ID: <83bkemct9l.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8ca48b5a-1619-8da8-ae3a-6ae96351a19d@gmail.com> <87v8eelh2s.fsf@gmx.net> <87r0p2l5pp.fsf@gmx.net> <27a78233-5758-c03e-e3a2-342d194d1448@gmail.com> <87fs48ppr8.fsf@gmx.net> <87bkewpogr.fsf@gmx.net> <87h6oo2may.fsf@gmx.net> <65eb4677-5ae3-5170-1b37-2e02f974c972@gmail.com> <871qfqiygn.fsf@gmx.net> <87r0nnmg31.fsf@gmx.net> <48373026-79e2-a9cb-73a8-1834360aeb4e@gmail.com> <874jkgebnc.fsf@gmx.net> <2a93abfe-722c-7541-b594-3a75c916a7f1@gmail.com> <87wmxccfel.fsf@gmx.net> <1886f854-101b-00ef-f619-28ac99082eb5@gmail.com> <835y4vg44p.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21031"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ola.x.nilsson@axis.com, stephen.berman@gmx.net, maurooaranda@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, 64046@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 01 08:18:12 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qbxTv-0005Gn-70 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 08:18:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qbxTf-00062e-FB; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 02:17:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qbxTd-00061r-JJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 02:17:53 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qbxTd-0007Qb-AX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 02:17:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qbxTl-0003RE-Tf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 02:18:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2023 06:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64046 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 64046-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64046.169354905013175 (code B ref 64046); Fri, 01 Sep 2023 06:18:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64046) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Sep 2023 06:17:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59715 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qbxTF-0003QR-Kh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 02:17:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39408) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qbxTD-0003QE-Rb for 64046@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 02:17:28 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qbxSy-0007HT-55; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 02:17:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=UpulTZKmkFk/Z7MCtUBZbHwIEfMedGqdVKkpYhhOtp0=; b=XXY+8y1p+k5b howTR+ZJsjD/yJohvS5ouNYx7RWJLK4Eg42f0SC1C9pequdcGd/oYuFI7GFA+eyraTZft+Rb1xeyE 4vnqqCTxm+n/My3HbzTXWsoYaA0PAxhtptfhMH3dd25Uwv2eGy+Zm3W6uOyiKcCHYw3c/my1uKrih xUb2FtY/UB0nG+S3TicBLaEDfrFp4c7giwNOrKIOPB3KK4pWqhfBdmXRu5VqhivMvlourMSLng8GZ msx3pdOIcD8sTfroTApK5qXu2qg8xv6p6N4vBs2xqLHFz1/oEhD/Odzy1hKsPfksqTmqFw/M/tknH UYWrMprtmCfxEZl62Uzvqw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 1 Sep 2023 00:59:58 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:268864 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 00:59:58 +0200 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , "stephen.berman@gmx.net" , > "ola.x.nilsson@axis.com" , "64046@debbugs.gnu.org" <64046@debbugs.gnu.org>, > Mauro Aranda > > Drew Adams writes: > > > > Do you have an example of where it's not? I can't think of one, so > > > you'll have to help me here. > > > > Don't need one. The TITLE can be _any_ text. > > Who knows how ` and ' might be used? You don't, > > any more than I do. Or if you do, please let us > > know your assumptions about this: what gives you > > the idea that they should always be translated > > to curly quotes? > > I was convinced by Stephen Berman's arguments upthread. He spoke > about the specifics of this function, how it might typically be used, > and used examples to show why using curly quotes is a good idea here. > > The reality is that we have decided to use curly quotes in Emacs, in > places where it is typographically correct. That decision was made > before I was very active in the project, BTW. So either we reverse > that decision, or we try to be consistent about it. My position is > that the latter is preferable. No, we will not reverse that decision. Conversion of quotes is dynamic, it's sensitive to the display capabilities of the underlying terminal, and includes enough knobs for people who don't want that to disable it. I wish that Drew had finally accepted this as a fait accompli and stopped raising the same arguments on every opportunity.