From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Brand new clojure support in Emacs ;-) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 19:16:11 +0300 Message-ID: <83bkej6xmc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835y4ucrz3.fsf@gnu.org> <831qficgin.fsf@gnu.org> <87ttsehwab.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87fs3x6ge7.fsf@gmail.com> <87v8cthmzl.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87a5u56atj.fsf@gmail.com> <87r0nhhgb5.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87y1hp3pjm.fsf@gmail.com> <9b605d5a-3186-4764-b43d-854a68d04d0e@app.fastmail.com> <87jzt745uo.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10897"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, acm@muc.de, danny@dfreeman.email, dmitry@gutov.dev, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Bozhidar Batsov" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 03 18:17:56 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qcpnP-0002U5-Po for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 18:17:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcpmH-0008Dc-Vj; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 12:16:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcpmE-0008DA-UQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 12:16:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcpmC-0003O8-Kf; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 12:16:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=q4L10hgUDXzkch3c8X7dCLISFmlumfBOcQHryh+xqrg=; b=I6EZgK3Ahmh6qii3VLdV JI5FyERG+pD3gLEj/BIWDhaTu3LcwrRAOGkibhJwJz2bYKqZZ8f2ue/tWUPrAErU8BmNwjX+HmYpG /u8eYa3OfYwKhR6AQK2e8W7wBBKr42rbfTNs3vYaUVywDVYW0fIy8iIjQCSFInCITcZC/Y6NcIFxd xfiOYvHpAzV0WxkLwVxxEiGzibDaKqQ8YkOafgpFpA1ogO2ripIehni4IICchXSUXyl+5A20Pvri8 fQ8IeAK1bJq7i+Ce7vuC05gP+wXWksMOvIyu8h+Z80nmNANPZeiGRZpXYGfnYZGCGkiOKs1XJ7Ivp rwVK82vh6SCPKg==; In-Reply-To: (bozhidar@batsov.dev) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310000 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 17:55:13 +0200 > From: "Bozhidar Batsov" > Cc: "Danny Freeman" , "Eli Zaretskii" , > "Dmitry Gutov" , "Richard Stallman" , > "Emacs Devel" > > All I did was to follow up on a suggested path and study technical ways > to getting Clojure editing support in Emacs, better than what we have > now, which is 0. I think is a pretty reasonable thing to do on > emacs-devel. It's not an immoral thing to do and I'm not coming for His > Highness The Great Clojure Authority Life's Work. > > Joao, I've tried to be polite, but you behave like a total jerk right now. That's really disappointing as > you used to be one of my Emacs heroes for a very long time. That makes me very sad. Such attitude > alienates a lot of people from emacs-devel IMO. > > Eli, I hope you'll agree that such attitude is really counter-productive. The sarcasm was uncalled for, but other than that, I don't see João's conduct in this thread as a problem, no. He proposed a lightweight alternative to a full-blown clojure-mode, which is a legitimate proposal. If nothing else, people could take his code into their init files and use it locally, if they want. And even if his behavior were problematic, calling your opponent a "jerk" is far from being kind. Discussions are a two-way street, and if you are opposed to unkind words, you should try very hard not to use them yourself.