From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#67393: 29.1; Slow to open file if autosave exists Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:28:03 +0200 Message-ID: <83bkafbdto.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83a5r5gdxk.fsf@gnu.org> <87frztc7iy.fsf@localhost> <867cl4kg4l.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87cyuwdcb4.fsf@localhost> <868r5jse0m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83r0jbbg2z.fsf@gnu.org> <87mstz1l0b.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11815"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: materus213@gmail.com, 67393@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 24 20:29:20 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rHUA3-0002qn-61 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:29:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rHU9h-00056x-Dh; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 14:28:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rHU9g-00056i-AJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 14:28:56 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rHU9g-0005dv-2D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 14:28:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rHU9l-0006YL-IS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 14:29:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 67393 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 67393-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B67393.170344610925136 (code B ref 67393); Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:29:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 67393) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2023 19:28:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53544 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rHU9E-0006XM-Vl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 14:28:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44988) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rHU9B-0006X1-5Q for 67393@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 14:28:27 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rHU8w-0005QK-5j; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 14:28:10 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=7ZU/+XgN2FUFsvxcBJHwTObDi0iw9GniVNTxkkyRs+w=; b=SqANakYEzyFr Rdk5MXbnP1g7GKn5e2jAhdXydtNvVZwyB9LS3Mn1SbtZ6ZAeiUG3IVfAPIRhiapsIbgFYn43PNbox tjEvCO0x3KlYG6ORWIbGPo/rVCf1gdJ6fBY0Dmuc9V2PqSFAgwGUYI8LEJkLiJn/4+gDBZxzs3voP cEgciAj0ase8W35vFsnaI6GcK2haRba7m6HF+omTWKogDhXDC3vpcZ6JCA4UWHO54P61VsFaRoLK7 338rYtVO6XB3BMqLV1N90eyNzANAZH3SYrpQjB6fGEBR/zCRVPJwMOh/4COKHC2WI00qGd9mCt32q O+fxZBqFvj7J7C9YUhCOtA==; In-Reply-To: <87mstz1l0b.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:03:00 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:276825 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: Juri Linkov , stefankangas@gmail.com, > materus213@gmail.com, 67393@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:03:00 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> It would be nicer to prepend this error message to any last displayed > >> message during these 5 seconds. > > > > We don't really know whether doing that will be effective. Given N > > lines of messages in the echo-area, what are the chances that the user > > will see all of them, or even the most important one(s)? > > AFAIU, the only difference is that `sit-for' will block Emacs, while the > proposed multiline echo will not. Is absence of blocking what you are > concerned about? No, I'm concerned with the span of user's attention when presented with multiple unrelated messages in several lines. > As an alternative idea, important messages may have an option to be > accumulated forever, until explicitly dismissed. Just like > (notifications-notify :title "Very important message" :timeout 0) How is this better than waiting for a second? > do you have something specific in mind about collecting the > experience? Use them for some unimportant messages until we have enough experience and can make intelligent decisions.