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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Christoph <cschol2112@googlemail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Windows 9X compatibility
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:18:02 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83aats2oat.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BAFAD87.3070407@gmail.com>

> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:27:03 -0600
> From: Christoph <cschol2112@googlemail.com>
> CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> You are right. I have not experienced this pain myself, but I have read 
> the source. I see the function "is_windows_9x()" and where it is being 
> used

is_windows_9x is a 12-line function whose all calls but the very first
one just return the value of a static variable.

> and other comments like "Visual Studio 6 cannot do this", "MSVC's 
> stat doesnt support UNC and has other bugs" which led to code being 
> added to eliminate these deficiencies and support old OSs like Win9x or 
> old compilers like MSVC 6.

The latter problem has nothing to do with old compilers: the Windows
implementation of `stat' leaves a lot to be desired, for a
Posix-minded program such as Emacs.  Which is why Emacs has its own
version of `stat' that doesn't rely on the one supplied by Microsoft.
The problem with `stat' exists on all versions of Windows, not just on
Windows 9X.

> I am just wondering, if this really needs to be there and if anybody 
> ever looks into replacing these functions with native Windows code in 
> the latest version of their development tool chains. If it makes the 
> code cleaner and less prone to breaking with added features or bugs, 
> wouldn't that be worth it?

Maybe.  But it's hard to talk about this on this general level.
Specific suggestions to remove old compatibility code are welcome.

> Also, I am not saying the guy looking into something that couldn't be 
> myself. In fact, I guess the whole discussion was prompted by me trying 
> to find a way to contribute. Maybe I should have picked a less 
> controversial subject matter. ;)

Your contributions, past and future, are welcome.  Thanks.




  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-28 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-26 15:22 MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-26 15:48 ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-26 17:56   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-26 18:05     ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-26 18:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-26 18:17         ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-26 20:05           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-26 21:14             ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-27  8:50               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 10:09                 ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-27 11:11                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 13:56                     ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-27  0:48             ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-27  7:42               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 16:49                 ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-27 16:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 22:28                     ` Christoph
2010-03-28  0:12                       ` Florian Beck
2010-03-28  0:37                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-28  7:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 18:55                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-28 20:10                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 23:23                                 ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-29 23:39                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-31  4:57                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31  8:38                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 10:38                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-31 11:19                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 15:39                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31 16:39                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-31 17:30                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31 17:36                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-31 18:05                                         ` OT: (was: MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process) Stefan Monnier
2010-03-31 15:28                                 ` MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31 16:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 16:59                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31 17:27                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 18:08                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-06  7:50                             ` David Kastrup
2010-04-07  3:21                               ` Richard Stallman
2010-04-07  7:59                                 ` David Kastrup
2010-03-28  0:39                         ` Christoph
2010-03-28  7:21                           ` Windows 9X compatibility Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 14:59                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-28 15:24                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-28 15:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 16:09                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-28 18:03                                   ` joakim
2010-03-29 23:39                                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-28 19:57                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-28 20:32                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 22:26                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-28 19:27                             ` Christoph
2010-03-28 20:18                               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2010-03-28 21:04                                 ` Christoph
2010-03-28  7:17                       ` Windows 9X compatibility (was: MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process) Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28  7:33                     ` MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Jason Rumney
2010-03-28  8:12                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-29 23:39                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-28  9:11                   ` Serious performance problem with process output on Mac OSX Christian Lynbech
2010-03-28 14:41                     ` Adrian Robert
2010-03-29 21:58                       ` Adrian Robert
2010-03-29 23:26                         ` David Reitter
2010-03-29 23:54                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-30  7:43                           ` Adrian Robert
2010-03-30 13:05                             ` David Reitter
2010-03-30 17:39                               ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2010-03-30 17:47                                 ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-31  2:38                                   ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2010-03-31  4:00                                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-31 13:41                                       ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2010-03-31 14:28                                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-31 14:29                                         ` Adrian Robert
2010-03-29 23:48                   ` MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Davis Herring
2010-03-30  5:41                     ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-26 23:03           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-27  0:51 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-03-27  8:44   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 13:01     ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-27 13:18       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-28 17:29     ` Kim F. Storm

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