From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:12:41 +0300 Message-ID: <83aar0lfty.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276337597 28796 80.91.229.12 (12 Jun 2010 10:13:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Uday S Reddy Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 12 12:13:15 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNiE-0004Rj-3W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:13:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41060 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONNiD-0000Hw-BL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:13:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33904 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONNi4-0000HT-OM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:13:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNi3-0006uD-9v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:13:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:51077) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNi3-0006tv-1I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:13:03 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L3W00200C6M4S00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:12:45 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.119.36]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L3W00K89CD4GMA0@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:12:41 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125796 Archived-At: > From: Uday S Reddy > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:34:46 +0100 > > No, Stefan is not saying 'right' should mean "left"! > > He is saying that 'right' moves right, 'left' moves left, 'C-f' moves forward > in the text direction and 'C-b' moves backward in the text direction. > Sometimes the two sets of keys match up one way, and sometimes the other way. Exactly. > > But is it really important that "forward" in a command name move toward the left > > in R2L? Why should "forward" necessarily mean "from text beginning toward text > > end" rather than just "toward the right"? What is at stake here? > > Only an R2L user can answer that (which I am not). And I am. And I did. > However, consistency matters. If "forward" doesn't really mean > forward in the text, I think you will end up with nonsense in the > end, such as "beginning of sentence" moving to the end of sentence. 100% agreement.