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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "K. Richard Pixley" <rich@noir.com>
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:39:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83aajhoh6l.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D223199.2070307@noir.com>

> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:29:13 -0800
> From: "K. Richard Pixley" <rich@noir.com>
> CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> 
> On 20110103 11:52, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >> From: "K. Richard Pixley"<rich@noir.com>
> >> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:40:19 -0800
> >>
> >> I believe that the fix needs to occur at a meta level to font lock.
> > What do you mean by "meta level to font lock"?
> I mean that the mechanism for allowing or barring font lock apparently 
> can't be part of the font lock subsystem.  It appears as though it will 
> need to be outside the font-lock system in order to _gate_ the font lock 
> system.

That's what Lennart was proposing, AFAIU.

Btw, do you dislike _all_ colored text in Emacs, or only font-lock?
There are faces Emacs uses that are not related to font-lock at all,
like the "buttons" in *Help* buffers, the minibuffer prompts, the
special face for the part of file-name you type in the minibuffer that
will be ignored because it is before the "//", etc.  Then there are
colors not related to text, e.g. the fringes.  Do you want a feature
to turn all of those off, or just the font-lock faces?

> It appears as though people may be erroneously conflating font-lock 
> modes with syntactic meaning of the underlying text and keying off 
> font-lock values rather than the syntactic meanings.  This leads to the 
> erroneous programmer impression that font-lock is a necessary 
> prerequisite for their code, so they force it on.

You are entitled to your opinions, but to me syntax-sensitive colors
are an important feature because they show me my mistakes before they
hit the compiler.





  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-03 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-02 19:17 bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-02 22:56 ` Leo
2011-01-02 23:19   ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03  8:48     ` Leo
2011-01-02 23:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-03  0:27   ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03  3:55     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-03  5:57       ` Glenn Morris
2011-01-03  6:00         ` Glenn Morris
     [not found]         ` <mailman.4.1294035825.27854.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-03  6:56           ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03  8:13       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-03 16:42       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-03 17:29         ` Drew Adams
2011-01-03 17:32           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-03 17:40             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1.1294073635.27149.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-03 18:40         ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03 19:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-03 20:29             ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03 20:39               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2011-01-03 21:02                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-03 21:30                   ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03 22:04                     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-03 22:14                       ` K. Richard Pixley
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3.1294088031.614.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-03 22:27                 ` K. Richard Pixley
     [not found]     ` <mailman.1.1294028628.27854.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-03 22:23       ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-04  4:05         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-04  4:21           ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03  0:29   ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03  1:55     ` Glenn Morris
2011-01-03  3:21       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-03 13:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]       ` <mailman.30.1294025024.15403.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-03  4:10         ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03  5:34           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-03  6:52             ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03  8:13       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-03 13:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-03 16:00           ` Drew Adams
2011-01-03 18:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-03 18:09               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-03 18:26                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1.1294062865.25287.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-03 18:38           ` K. Richard Pixley
     [not found]       ` <mailman.10.1294043026.27854.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-03 18:33         ` K. Richard Pixley
     [not found]     ` <mailman.22.1294021456.15403.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-03  4:14       ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03  0:31   ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03  1:20   ` K. Richard Pixley
2011-01-03  1:54     ` Glenn Morris
2011-01-03  2:08       ` Glenn Morris

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