From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14064: info.info page has conflict with info package Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 19:26:09 +0300 Message-ID: <83a9pijjz2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5152E426.1000800@redhat.com> <51530C74.2060000@redhat.com> <2j7gkn79nb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83wqsn2y5n.fsf@gnu.org> <83sj3a3j9u.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364833575 21281 80.91.229.3 (1 Apr 2013 16:26:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 16:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 14064@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 01 18:26:42 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UMhZA-0005N1-Vo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 18:26:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44024 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UMhYm-00067x-Dq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:26:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37430) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UMhYi-000670-5S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:26:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UMhYf-0002xf-FK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:26:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:52108) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UMhYf-0002xZ-CE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:26:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UMhbR-0000dD-Sn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:29:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14064 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14064-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14064.13648337262406 (code B ref 14064); Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:29:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14064) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Apr 2013 16:28:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56216 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UMhbB-0000ck-I4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:28:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:35217) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UMhb9-0000cc-1W for 14064@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:28:44 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MKL0050049SAP00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 14064@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 19:25:40 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MKL005K54AS7780@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 19:25:40 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:73073 Archived-At: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 14064@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 11:29:50 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> So AFAICS there is nothing clever the Emacs install rule can do > >> here. As I said, I'd just make the rpm spec file unconditionally not > >> install Emacs's info.info. > > > > How is an rpm more clever than Emacs? What do they do that Emacs's > > installation procedure cannot? > > I won't explain this very well, but: > > You configure+build+install once on one machine, making a binary rpm > that other people install on their machines. When they do so, they don't > run any of the Emacs Makefile pieces, the rpm just unpacks itself (like > a tar file, I guess, but smarter, registering what file gets installed > where, etc). It can choose to do various clever things at installation > time, but these things are controlled by the rpm's specification file, > not by any part of the Emacs normal installation rules. > > AFAICS, there is literally nothing smart the Emacs Makefiles can do > about this issue, because they are not invoked at the relevant point. That's true, but why do we bother about Emacs being installed from an rpm? That's _really_ the job of whoever prepares the rpm. They have the same problem with GDB, for example, which installs libbfd. I thought we are talking about "make install", where we do control things. Does it make sense to refrain from overwriting at that time?