From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unibyte characters, strings, and buffers Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 11:08:37 +0300 Message-ID: <83a9c1a54q.fsf@gnu.org> References: <831txozsqa.fsf@gnu.org> <83ppl7y30l.fsf@gnu.org> <87r45nouvx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8361myyac6.fsf@gnu.org> <87a9capqfr.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <5335C336.3080108@dancol.org> <87mwg9nti0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83ioqxdzax.fsf@gnu.org> <87ha6hngak.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83k3bacs02.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppl1n2k2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837g79cc66.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhvomkfb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83ioqrbr0l.fsf@gnu.org> <874n2aisqf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vbuq9z2c.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqf6fkg1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83sipu9qj3.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2gyfaej.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87mwg1ly26.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1396598930 26061 80.91.229.3 (4 Apr 2014 08:08:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 08:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 04 10:08:43 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WVzB5-0000J0-0U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 10:08:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48342 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVzB4-0001tQ-7L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 04:08:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55460) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVzAw-0001t3-GN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 04:08:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVzAr-0002QR-BA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 04:08:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:47543) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVzAl-0002PR-Iz; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 04:08:23 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N3H00700YIH2900@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 11:08:21 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N3H007VPYLX0Q30@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 11:08:21 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87mwg1ly26.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:171303 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 09:48:17 +0900 > > David Kastrup writes: > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > I never blamed anyone. People should know the true state of > > > affairs, and then decide for themselves. > > Not in Emacs. It's not up to the individual contributor, it's a > matter for project policy, ie, RMS as advised by the FSF legal dept. To some degree, yes. (Although I hear only deafening silence from those quarters about these matters.) But since it is me who signs the legal papers, and it is me who decides whether some code I submit under the assignment fits the FSF standards of what can be called "my original work", then I, too, am a part of this equation, and my decisions on these matters do count. > Bottom line: Eli's theoretical assessment of the "typical" risks > involved seems pretty plausible to me. But in the worst case, things > can get pretty bad, and it's easy to justify "legal paranoia" on the > part of the FSF in managing software freedom of selected critical > projects, including Emacs. I agree, FWIW.