From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: dak@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, mhw@netris.org,
dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, mikegerwitz@gnu.org,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 14:27:10 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83a955iiup.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ppe1pldu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
> From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
> Cc: Mike Gerwitz <mikegerwitz@gnu.org>,
> dak@gnu.org,
> rms@gnu.org,
> mhw@netris.org,
> dmantipov@yandex.ru,
> emacs-devel@gnu.org,
> handa@gnu.org,
> monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 19:50:37 +0900
>
> In the case of Emacs coding systems, it's as simple as choosing to
> name the conformant coding system 'utf-8, and the non-conformant one
> 'utf-8-with-rawbytes.
We already tried something akin to that, and the users almost
unanimously wanted Emacs to opt-in by default.
> Why does this excite such <adjective deleted> opposition?
Because we've been-there-done-that, and have enough gray hair to prove
that what you are asking will be met with staunch user opposition.
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2014-09-17 7:38 Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Kristian Nygaard Jensen
2014-09-17 15:15 ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 16:15 ` James Cloos
2014-09-17 17:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 21:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 1:09 ` James Cloos
2014-09-18 7:12 ` Helmut Eller
2014-09-18 7:46 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-18 18:59 ` Johan Bockgård
2014-09-18 21:01 ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-19 0:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 12:24 ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-26 13:43 ` Robin Templeton
2014-09-26 14:15 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-26 14:45 ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-09-26 15:05 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 8:44 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-27 8:59 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 15:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-26 15:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-26 15:21 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 8:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-27 8:49 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 9:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-27 10:37 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-27 11:13 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 12:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-27 14:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-27 14:24 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 15:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-27 15:41 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 15:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-27 16:25 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 17:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-28 23:22 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-29 1:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-29 20:48 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-05 7:53 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-05 9:01 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-05 10:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-05 11:10 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-05 11:56 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-05 14:30 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-05 15:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-05 18:29 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-05 21:49 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <"<83lhotme1e.fsf"@gnu.org>
2014-10-06 3:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-06 19:15 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 0:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 14:04 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 15:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 16:01 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 18:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 16:16 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-10 10:09 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-10-06 6:21 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-06 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 15:33 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 16:40 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 17:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-06 17:34 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 0:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 14:03 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 16:27 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-06 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 17:31 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 17:58 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 2:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-06 17:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-06 17:53 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 0:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 14:03 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:21 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 15:16 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 15:33 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 15:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 16:03 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 16:16 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 16:24 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 16:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 16:52 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 17:38 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-08 0:47 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-08 7:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 7:37 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 18:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-06 23:00 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 1:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-07 14:03 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:04 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:14 ` David Kastrup
[not found] ` <"<83y4srjaot.fsf"@gnu.org>
2014-10-07 15:15 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 15:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-07 15:40 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 18:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 18:41 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 16:34 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 17:50 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 18:36 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 18:56 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 19:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-07 23:11 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-08 3:03 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-08 15:03 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-08 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 15:54 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 3:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 4:14 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 7:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 8:05 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-11 18:50 ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-07 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 0:47 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-08 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 1:19 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09 7:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 7:52 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 8:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 9:22 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 3:04 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-13 7:41 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-10 14:24 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-11 1:15 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-11 7:18 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-12 3:22 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-11 7:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-11 23:51 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-12 1:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-12 8:38 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-12 12:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-12 12:34 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-12 14:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-12 16:50 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 2:40 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-13 4:49 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-13 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 4:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-12 5:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-12 3:24 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-12 5:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 14:24 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-11 1:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-11 7:23 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-11 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-12 3:22 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-12 5:22 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 7:59 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 8:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13 9:20 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-12 5:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <<83r3yg9bpu.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-10-10 16:02 ` Drew Adams
2014-10-10 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 7:36 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-10 14:25 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-07 14:21 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-06 19:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-06 19:59 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-07 0:10 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-07 14:04 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-11 18:34 ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-05 21:49 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-06 3:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-08 0:48 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-08 2:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-08 3:07 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 3:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 3:44 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 7:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 7:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 10:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-10 14:23 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09 1:19 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09 3:56 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 4:49 ` Mike Gerwitz
2014-10-09 8:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-09 10:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 11:06 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-09 17:23 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09 17:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-12 3:24 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-12 5:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13 3:10 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 5:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 6:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13 8:24 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 8:58 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 9:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 10:17 ` Uwe Brauer
2014-10-13 10:30 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 9:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-13 10:05 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 14:55 ` Paul Eggert
2014-10-13 17:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 17:24 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 17:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-13 18:04 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-13 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 7:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-14 7:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 10:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-14 8:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-14 9:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 20:03 ` Paul Eggert
2014-10-15 3:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 5:54 ` Paul Eggert
2014-10-15 7:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 9:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-15 11:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 11:57 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-15 12:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-15 13:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-15 14:51 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-15 16:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-15 17:18 ` Paul Eggert
2014-10-15 18:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-14 2:11 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 5:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-14 6:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-14 7:48 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-15 13:16 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-15 14:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-15 14:43 ` David Kastrup
2014-10-16 18:12 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-13 3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-09 11:27 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2014-10-10 14:23 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 14:23 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-10 20:41 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-10-10 21:56 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-10-10 22:56 ` Drew Adams
2014-10-11 1:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-27 17:04 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-27 19:33 ` Robin Templeton
2014-09-28 7:17 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-27 15:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-29 13:17 ` K. Handa
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-09-17 2:57 Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Lally Singh
2014-09-17 11:01 ` Tom
2014-09-17 12:28 ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 12:58 ` Tom
2014-09-17 13:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-09-17 14:15 ` Tom
2014-09-17 11:43 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 14:21 ` Lally Singh
2014-09-17 15:04 ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-11 16:29 Guile emacs thread (again) Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-16 15:50 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Stefan Monnier
2014-09-16 16:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-09-17 18:24 ` Jorgen Schaefer
2014-09-17 18:42 ` Emacs Lisp's future Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-18 2:07 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Alexis
2014-09-18 16:40 ` Emacs Lisp's future Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18 6:35 ` Andreas Röhler
2014-09-18 15:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 16:19 ` Ivan Andrus
2014-09-18 23:19 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 7:18 ` Andreas Röhler
2014-09-19 8:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-09-19 8:46 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-16 16:54 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-17 15:14 ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 16:57 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-16 16:59 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-16 22:58 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-16 23:10 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 13:55 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 15:19 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 16:23 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 18:10 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 5:04 ` mhw
2014-09-17 14:03 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 14:39 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 15:11 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 10:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-17 10:53 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 11:21 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 11:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 13:50 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 11:17 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 11:35 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 12:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 13:54 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 14:30 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 15:10 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 7:54 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-17 15:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 15:07 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 15:33 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 20:11 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 22:42 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18 2:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 3:17 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 9:04 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 9:27 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 11:15 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 3:46 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 9:53 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 10:09 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 11:29 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 12:07 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 14:12 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 14:56 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 15:36 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 16:44 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 17:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 20:21 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 12:48 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 14:15 ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 14:34 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 15:01 ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 16:08 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 16:18 ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 19:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 23:18 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 0:00 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 8:00 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 10:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-19 11:12 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-19 16:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-19 11:38 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 18:02 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 11:53 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 18:01 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <<E1XV2UO-0005CA-Vk@fencepost.gnu.org>
2014-09-19 18:43 ` Drew Adams
2014-09-18 23:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 0:03 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 10:27 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-09-23 7:45 ` Emilio Lopes
2014-09-26 16:50 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2014-09-26 18:23 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-29 8:33 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-29 13:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-29 14:47 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-30 7:58 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 12:19 ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-30 16:15 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-30 18:21 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 19:18 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 16:15 ` Nicolas Richard
2014-09-30 17:54 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 18:19 ` Drew Adams
2014-09-26 20:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 23:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 23:37 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 2:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 22:49 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-09-17 12:46 ` Eric Brown
2014-09-17 13:33 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 15:11 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 20:23 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 21:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-20 19:31 ` Robin Templeton
2016-10-07 10:47 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2016-10-07 11:03 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2016-10-07 11:27 ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-07 11:48 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2016-10-08 14:00 ` Ben
2016-10-08 15:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-07 12:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-08 8:23 ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-08 12:07 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-08 14:26 ` Nicolas Petton
2016-10-08 20:57 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-08 21:40 ` Nicolas Petton
2016-10-08 22:15 ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-10 9:00 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-11 1:42 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-11 7:47 ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-11 14:44 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-12 3:17 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-13 21:23 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-13 21:35 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-17 0:44 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-10 4:09 ` Georges Ko
2016-10-10 4:51 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-10 13:56 ` Georges Ko
2016-10-11 4:06 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-11 4:18 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 7:16 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-11 13:33 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 14:54 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-11 15:10 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 17:55 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-11 17:08 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-10 15:26 ` raman
2016-10-07 15:32 ` Kelvin White
2016-10-07 16:18 ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-07 16:25 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-10-08 2:09 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-08 20:58 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-07 17:07 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-09 12:03 ` Toon Claes
2016-10-09 12:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-10 2:59 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-10 15:24 ` raman
2016-10-09 12:43 ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-09 13:13 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-09 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
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