From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Too few people taking care of bug reports, was: Re: Release process (was Re: Move to a cadence release model?) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:42:53 +0200 Message-ID: <83a8qkjjqa.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8337wdn6uu.fsf@gnu.org> <86611975jo.fsf_-_@stephe-leake.org> <838u65kxly.fsf@gnu.org> <86mvuk4xxd.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <831tbwlext.fsf@gnu.org> <5643A77D.90704@yandex.ru> <83k2pojl8h.fsf@gnu.org> <5643B1E1.5040605@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447278200 24862 80.91.229.3 (11 Nov 2015 21:43:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, john@yates-sheets.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 11 22:43:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwdAb-00047S-M0 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:43:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43153 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwdAb-0000LQ-Pt for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:43:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47587) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwdAZ-0000Ho-OY for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:43:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwdAW-0003sy-Hz for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:43:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:45215) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwdAW-0003sW-AV for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:43:04 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NXO00G006O04700@mtaout24.012.net.il> for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:36:10 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NXO007NE6O9H870@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:36:10 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <5643B1E1.5040605@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.180 X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.tangents:13 Archived-At: > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:23:45 +0200 > Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, > john@yates-sheets.org > > > I disagree. IME, frequently just looking or stepping through > > unfamiliar code can reveal bugs whose reasons we can easily understand > > and fix. Just a few minutes ago I had this experience once more, see > > bug#21881. I assure you I knew nothing at all about mm-url.el, and > > still don't. Still, it took me just a few minutes to understand why > > EWW barfs and see the solution that I'm sure is right. > > I'm not saying I couldn't do that, but there's a limit to the number of > areas I want to be familiar with. I also have limited of time and other > projects, starving for attention. > > I'm also currently exhausted by trying to explain the difference between > "project" and "libraries", to some people, over a zillion email messages. > > > You should try this some time. I think everybody here should. > > The above is the primary method I do get acquainted with new code. > > > Bottom line is: people like you and me (and many others here) know > > quite a lot about Emacs and about debugging, and can find solutions to > > many bugs even in unfamiliar code. > > Been there, done that. Especially in third-party code, where it's much > easier to discuss the issues, explore the code, etc, everything without > closing the browser. Then it sounds like you agree with me, and we both are doing about the bugs whatever we can, given our free resources. Thanks, and please keep up.