From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu>
Cc: radon.neon@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Friendly discussion about (package-initialize)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 09:14:46 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83a836ska1.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a8372nwl.fsf@holos> (message from Mark Oteiza on Thu, 10 Aug 2017 16:00:58 -0400)
> From: Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu>
> Cc: Radon Rosborough <radon.neon@gmail.com>, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 16:00:58 -0400
>
> The form is put there in order to coddle users who copy-paste
> configurations a) into their init files, or b) in Customize settings,
> that use symbols from packages before the packages are (auto-)loaded.
>
> To quote the implementer (from this thread[2]):
>
> > Another consequence is that users can't paste
> > configurations into their init file in the way that 90% of the
> > (emacs-related) internet is telling them to.
> > By adding the chosen snippet to the user's init file we are preventing
> > this sort of problem for new users, instead of telling them it's their
> > fault for not understanding package.el.
>
> FWIW here are some other links to threads surrounding the issue when it
> was being debated/implemented:
>
> [0] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-03/msg00897.html
> [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-03/msg01016.html
> [2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-04/msg00002.html
Thanks for the pointers, I will read those discussions.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-08-11 6:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-08-07 0:37 Friendly discussion about (package-initialize) Radon Rosborough
2017-08-07 1:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-07 2:16 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-07 2:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-07 4:12 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-09 20:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-10 3:32 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 4:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-10 4:39 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 7:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-10 17:06 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 19:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-10 19:31 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 20:00 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-11 6:14 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-08-11 1:25 ` Nick Helm
2017-08-11 21:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-09 20:35 ` Interoperation between package managers (was: Friendly discussion about (package-initialize)) Stefan Monnier
2017-08-10 3:54 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 21:34 ` Interoperation between package managers Stefan Monnier
2017-08-11 2:14 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-11 22:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-12 17:54 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-12 20:53 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-08-13 21:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-13 21:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-13 22:42 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-13 23:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-14 0:29 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-14 8:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-23 19:39 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-23 20:58 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 12:36 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24 20:11 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25 14:31 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24 15:04 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-08-24 15:46 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-07 3:20 ` Friendly discussion about (package-initialize) Noam Postavsky
2017-08-07 4:14 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-08 0:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-10 20:15 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-10 21:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-11 1:14 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-11 8:03 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-07 6:52 ` Colin Baxter
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