Re: Friendly discussion about (package-initialize)

[Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>]

> From: Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu>
> Cc: Radon Rosborough <radon.neon@gmail.com>,  monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 16:00:58 -0400
> 
> The form is put there in order to coddle users who copy-paste
> configurations a) into their init files, or b) in Customize settings,
> that use symbols from packages before the packages are (auto-)loaded.
> 
> To quote the implementer (from this thread[2]):
> 
> > Another consequence is that users can't paste
> > configurations into their init file in the way that 90% of the
> > (emacs-related) internet is telling them to.
> > By adding the chosen snippet to the user's init file we are preventing
> > this sort of problem for new users, instead of telling them it's their
> > fault for not understanding package.el.
> 
> FWIW here are some other links to threads surrounding the issue when it
> was being debated/implemented:
> 
> [0] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-03/msg00897.html
> [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-03/msg01016.html
> [2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-04/msg00002.html

Thanks for the pointers, I will read those discussions.