From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38051: 26.3; (elisp) `Insertion' use of verb "point" Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 21:11:38 +0200 Message-ID: <83a796b2tx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <10c2ca80-b3d5-4efb-a2b1-5ded0cc8a14d@default> <874kzfyzk5.fsf@marxist.se> <3b0f7464-a74f-4687-b91b-b654697cc1cc@default> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="266020"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 38051@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 08 20:12:22 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iT9gC-00174V-Q7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 20:12:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59010 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iT9gB-0006CJ-1m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:12:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58582) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iT9fv-00068U-7c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:12:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iT9fu-0003yL-9h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:12:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:38801) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iT9fu-0003xP-6B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:12:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT9fu-0006O0-15 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:12:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 19:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38051 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 38051-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38051.157324031624537 (code B ref 38051); Fri, 08 Nov 2019 19:12:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38051) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2019 19:11:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47622 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT9fo-0006Ng-CC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:11:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49455) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT9fm-0006NT-HC for 38051@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:11:54 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53799) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iT9fh-0003P5-19; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:11:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3649 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iT9ff-00013T-Ik; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:11:48 -0500 In-reply-to: <3b0f7464-a74f-4687-b91b-b654697cc1cc@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 8 Nov 2019 17:53:06 +0000 (UTC)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:171248 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 17:53:06 +0000 (UTC) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 38051@debbugs.gnu.org > > 1. From a user point of view (conceptual model), > markers _are_ objects that can be located > _in_ a buffer, _at_ buffer positions. That is incorrect. A marker stores a buffer and a location within that buffer, but it isn't itself located in a buffer. > 3. When we document `char-after', we don't say > that the char (which is conceptually _in_ the > buffer) "points at" a buffer position. We > say "Return the character _in_ current buffer > _at_ position POS." > > Markers, like characters, are at buffer > positions (chars are actually after, not at). See above: that's correct about characters, but incorrect about markers. > This is how we treat overlays. Overlays are completely different beasts.