From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop the Copyright Assignment requirement for Emacs Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 20:08:07 +0300 Message-ID: <83a72d84js.fsf@gnu.org> References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <87d07xamrg.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <878silajdl.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tv18pyh4.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83zhaih0oz.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbegsvm.fsf@gnu.org> <547c9116-c1c3-8563-4aee-c62aa2302861@yandex.ru> <838shybfdo.fsf@gnu.org> <3f79ff6e-2471-fa6d-08ff-682afd504eca@yandex.ru> <83v9l29yz3.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8qujs0p.fsf@randomsample> <83lfly9vvs.fsf@gnu.org> <835zd29rjb.fsf@gnu.org> <6ddce28d-2820-ff5b-7350-60608d511b89@yandex.ru> <831rnpanue.fsf@gnu.org> <471fdcaf-ba65-bb43-91aa-8a70f028684a@yandex.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="94185"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, deng@randomsample.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 12 19:13:21 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYYT2-000OMw-MN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 19:13:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59162 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYYT1-0006nY-OO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:13:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55302) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYYOM-0001kS-Bq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:08:30 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45434) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYYOL-0007qp-6P; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:08:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3858 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jYYOJ-0000Ln-Vx; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:08:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <471fdcaf-ba65-bb43-91aa-8a70f028684a@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 12 May 2020 16:58:20 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249996 Archived-At: > Cc: deng@randomsample.de, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:58:20 +0300 > > On 12.05.2020 05:28, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Cc:deng@randomsample.de,monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,emacs-devel@gnu.org > >> From: Dmitry Gutov > >> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 23:03:56 +0300 > >> > >>>> If we don't do any of that, we can't create a publish a user-friendly > >>>> guide "How to IDE" on our website. > >>> I don't think we should give up our standards to gain a couple of > >>> marketing points. > >> It's usability, not just marketing. > >> > >>> It is completely backwards, IMO, to put that cart > >>> ahead of the horse. We are supposed to develop high-quality software > >>> first and advertising ourselves second, not the other way around. > >> We're supposed to make our users' life better. > > Again, not at any cost, and not by giving up our principles. > > I don't understand what you're saying. > > Publishing a better "getting started" guide would go against our > "principles"? No, but installing packages that don't adhere to our standards is.