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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Corwin Brust <corwin@bru.st>
Cc: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de, arash@gnu.org,
	phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Native compilation on Windows, was Re: Bootstrap Compilation Speed
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:53:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83a6f751te.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJf-WoQyCo7YT07yMAaK4YUU2n8sF3YdLb9FReX9ah_-h=N64w@mail.gmail.com> (message from Corwin Brust on Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:57:32 -0600)

> From: Corwin Brust <corwin@bru.st>
> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:57:32 -0600
> Cc: "H. Dieter Wilhelm" <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de>, Arash Esbati <arash@gnu.org>, 
> 	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@russet.org.uk>
> 
> > > As an interesting aside:  I see that it *is* loading the natively
> > > compiled sources that were build and packaged with Emacs.  This is
> > > despite getting a nil return from `native-comp-avialable-p', which
> > > suggests that even people without a local libgccjit+gcc (e.g. a
> > > working MSYS) can benefit from (the bundled) nativly compiled sources
> > > we distribute.  [[stroking chin myscheviously]]
> >
> > This is the expected behavior.  Only native-compilation of *.el files
> > for which no *.eln files are provided is disabled without libgccjit
> > and Binutils installation.  Loading of existing *.eln files doesn't
> > need libgccjit.
> >
> > So I'm not sure why you are surprised.
> 
> Now that ask, I'm not sure either.
> 
> Should we consider adding NATIVE_FULL_AOT when building the windows
> distribution?

You could, but that still means users cannot modify the *.el files and
get them recompiled.

Whether NATIVE_FULL_AOT is worth is: it is yet to be determined.  I
tend to think we should provide a default build, and only use
NATIVE_FULL_AOT if other platforms do that (which will not happen
before Emacs 28 is released and we collect feedback from users and
downstream distributions).



  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-03 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 186+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-14 11:36 Bootstrap Compilation Speed phillip.lord
2022-01-14 13:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-14 14:16   ` phillip.lord
2022-01-15  9:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-15 11:29   ` phillip.lord
2022-01-15 10:29 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-15 11:28   ` phillip.lord
2022-01-15 16:24     ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-15 19:06       ` Native compilation on Windows, was " H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-15 19:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-15 19:27           ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-16 11:47             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-16 12:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17  9:39                 ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-17 12:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 14:07                     ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-17 14:09                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 16:25                       ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-17 18:07                         ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-17 18:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 20:25                         ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-17 20:46                           ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-18 16:38                             ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-18 19:37                               ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-18 19:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-18 21:36                                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-19  0:02                                     ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-19  7:45                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 14:26                                         ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-19 14:42                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 18:38                                         ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-19 14:01                                       ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-19 18:59                                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-19 20:21                                           ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-20  7:12                                             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-20 14:32                                               ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-20 22:56                                                 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-21  6:58                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-21 11:07                                                     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-21 12:04                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-21 19:22                                                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-21 19:57                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-22 10:30                                                             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-22 10:44                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-25 19:45                                                               ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-25 19:56                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-26 19:49                                                                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-21 12:21                                                       ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-21 12:51                                                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-21 12:59                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-21 17:48                                                             ` phillip.lord
2022-01-21 19:36                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-21 19:47                                                                 ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-21 19:58                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-21 19:58                                                                 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-22 12:52                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-22 12:40                                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-22 12:46                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-22 17:56                                                                     ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-21  9:05                                                   ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-22 21:51                                                     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-22 22:52                                                       ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-23 21:16                                                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-24  3:24                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-24  4:17                                                           ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-24 15:43                                                             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-24 16:56                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-24 18:28                                                                 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-24 18:35                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                                     ` <86czkgztcv.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de>
     [not found]                                                                       ` <83zgnkijfo.fsf@gnu.org>
2022-01-25 10:34                                                                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-25 12:32                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-25 13:46                                                                             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-25 13:50                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-30 11:57                                                                                 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-30 14:12                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-30 18:12                                                                                     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-30 18:34                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-30 21:31                                                                                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-25 10:45                                                               ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-26  4:40                                                                 ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-19 18:33                                       ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-19  7:28                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:57                                       ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-19 14:39                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 18:48                                           ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-29 21:32                                           ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-29 22:01                                             ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-29 22:23                                               ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-30  1:58                                                 ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-30 10:13                                                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-30 10:19                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-30 21:33                                                     ` Arash Esbati
2022-01-30 22:16                                                       ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-31 10:57                                                         ` Arash Esbati
2022-01-31 15:58                                                           ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-31 22:17                                                             ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-01 12:45                                                               ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-01 15:28                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-02-01 19:26                                                                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-01 18:38                                                                 ` Arash Esbati
2022-02-01 19:02                                                                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-01 19:10                                                                     ` Arash Esbati
2022-02-01 19:27                                                                       ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-01 21:56                                                                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-03  3:22                                                                 ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-03  7:10                                                                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-03  7:47                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-03 13:57                                                                     ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-03 16:53                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-02-03 17:45                                                                         ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-02 22:06                                                               ` Phillip Lord
2022-02-02 23:28                                                                 ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-04 10:12                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2022-02-02 23:31                                                                 ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-31 12:27                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-02 22:04                                                         ` Phillip Lord
2022-02-02 22:22                                                           ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-04 10:05                                                             ` Phillip Lord
2022-02-03  7:10                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-21 21:59                                                             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-22  3:31                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-23  6:44                                                                 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-23  9:32                                                                   ` Arash Esbati
2022-02-23 18:30                                                                     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-23 12:39                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-27 10:49                                                                     ` Acquiring dependencies for Windows builds, was: Native compilation on Windows H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-27 11:07                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-28 21:51                                                                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-03-01 13:32                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-03-08 15:52                                                                             ` Acquiring dependencies for Windows builds H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-03-08 16:48                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-31 12:26                                                       ` Native compilation on Windows, was Re: Bootstrap Compilation Speed Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-30  2:37                                                 ` chad
2022-01-30 12:29                                                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-01 17:17                                                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-01 17:53                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-01 18:59                                                       ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-01 19:23                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-02 10:36                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2022-02-02 11:28                                                             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-02 12:57                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-02 13:00                                                               ` Robert Pluim
2022-02-02 15:23                                                                 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-02 16:20                                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2022-02-02 17:04                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-02 17:58                                                                     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-02 18:18                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2022-02-01 19:00                                                       ` chad
2022-02-01 19:08                                                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-02 22:12                                                       ` Phillip Lord
2022-02-05 21:46                                                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-05 23:18                                                           ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-06 15:00                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-06 17:21                                                               ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-07 12:54                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-09 18:23                                                                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-09 19:09                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-09 20:13                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-09 23:32                                                                     ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-10 10:28                                                                     ` Robert Pluim
2022-02-02 21:58                                               ` Phillip Lord
2022-02-02 22:09                                                 ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-03  6:25                                                 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-02-03 13:30                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-05 21:34                                                     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-30  7:59                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 18:46                                         ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-19 19:25                                           ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-19 18:28                                 ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-17  9:44               ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-17 16:08                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-01-17 17:23                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-17 17:46                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-01-17 19:09                       ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-17 20:21                   ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-18  9:03                     ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-18 14:50                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-18 15:09                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-01-18 16:40                       ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-15 22:14         ` phillip.lord
2022-01-15 22:32           ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2022-01-16  8:54           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17  9:34             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-01-17  9:56             ` Phillip Lord
2022-01-17 12:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-16 14:31       ` H. Dieter Wilhelm

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