From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Make all tree-sitter modes optional Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 16:40:48 +0200 Message-ID: <83a61c1hjj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83h6x5xym7.fsf@gnu.org> <83h6wr6gmz.fsf@gnu.org> <868ri140sr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83fsc92gbz.fsf@gnu.org> <83cz6ccagy.fsf@gnu.org> <838rgzaqmj.fsf@gnu.org> <83pmaaaicy.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1owl8eg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ttzkl6mw.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7157"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, juri@linkov.net, casouri@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, theo@thornhill.no, jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 17 15:41:59 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pT1vy-0001cs-8o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 15:41:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT1v8-0001Fl-M9; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 09:41:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT1v7-0001Dn-1k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 09:41:05 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT1v4-00072N-Kb; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 09:41:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=rz5k/o5gpxAw0LTfHhNH5gZRrMWTLw9uc8SsLceWsRg=; b=dPeygtKL7iwY +b5av0+IP7WuN0F2eRmDZx9TTin2C2eOHMtXzcpbwc3t0XWwpd6yVpcg0VCct0c4gxte386NsyWZR JJqciaKfFl/DXYX/rFeUb2HQ6T8uRwZh5IrIP/gsv0g5NM8Fx0NUJZIMdDM2uv/mGcFTV9tqpFE5T x2KB/KzutaqxIyZOzFWrdtNEfaYyQFquAB+U7fO+MwY+dGNA4kjslnspmrQA9jbt6ZHOIvwTLghbu HPrX987TvYHsim6bDvA7OfiWnTqkiJ9f03yFdMJ+KAO5JPcGgV59a500saNy/u9n96Ax8tIHHB+5J RjwECsbguZhMhGm/KcRX7A==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT1v3-00086j-Tw; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 09:41:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ttzkl6mw.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Fri, 17 Feb 2023 22:16:07 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:303489 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , > juri@linkov.net, casouri@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, theo@thornhill.no, > jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 22:16:07 +0800 > > Stefan Monnier writes: > > >> Does c-ts-mode make itself default upon being loaded, or does it make > >> itself the default upon being first enabled? > > > > Upon being loaded. > > That is extremely nasty, especially for people who preload all (or most) > Lisp libraries. > > c-ts-mode should be fixed before the pretest starts. It won't be. Please, everybody, stop pushing for these changes. I understand that you disagree, but I respectfully request that you-all assume that either I'm right here (in that I consider the alternatives to be worse), or if I'm wrong, it is for me to make this mistake and learn from it. Please give me some minimal credit that I have thought long and hard about the possible alternatives, and didn't arrive at this conclusion easily, and that I'm also fully aware that changing the behavior by loading a package is not good, in and of itself. TIA