From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port of Emacs Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:25:07 +0300 Message-ID: <83a5wu74vg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <121acd3282a64abf77d6@heytings.org> <87y1khd2jb.fsf@yahoo.com> <83f64da10bfab98a840a@heytings.org> <87edm9b6mx.fsf@yahoo.com> <83f64da10b4dd80c3af1@heytings.org> <87zg4w70jb.fsf@yahoo.com> <83a5wv8lwb.fsf@gnu.org> <87cz1r541l.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16677"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gregory@heytings.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 20 13:25:55 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZUg-00047A-Sn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 13:25:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZTu-0006et-An; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:25:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZTs-0006eV-1Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:25:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZTq-00009E-S1; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:25:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=LyCXh/+MAXCNVpFd7WanLOARS3DGc6BvkEbOMYpD5Ts=; b=KdNQl1Cjwbvc cLnBdqo2P/1TP0y950Ncf6ApeqK4drkvKZ1BU+zCjTUHI9jcMVDh+y/I0knJaCA2MirvjKPVSBeM7 XYdom9zM5Z6rz1IafaA+EIldyxR2+NgZZ0JzI1nMkt3aaIm7M/SjclltICKrJItFs5031kUOMJ5dS 7mhC/g9PdiQ4N8Eojfb814slYZTl/pXgb5ligZFr1XFMjaZyiED9/+HKEqGPKcF2GGnoPWzY4WmkV O4nUA83aGQLfWP0vAilRpcTkPEoKgikbPB5+te6YZbLyFJesfejU+HsL8a9/0oDwibgjDxJVlnbVf 8vIkPiiUYVRLZTQ2BdZsSQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZTp-00060T-HS; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:25:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87cz1r541l.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Tue, 20 Jun 2023 09:13:42 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307084 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: gregory@heytings.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 09:13:42 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Is this going to be your style in discussing issues pertaining to the > > Android port? If so, I will decide not to land it right here and now. > > Because it's extremely likely that most people who will ask or post > > opinions or comment on the Android support will not have "a good > > understanding of the code within the feature/android branch", and so > > this unkind response could be a preview of what we are in for. And > > that is unacceptable, from my POV. > > No, it's not -- the problem is that that research leaves much to be > desired People who are willing to look into an issue and bring up opinions or suggestions aren't required to become experts before they speak up. For example, if I'd allow myself such an attitude, I'd probably refuse to speak with anyone about the display engine or the bidi code, with the sole exception of Gerd. > hopefully, you can understand why I get extremely frustrated when the > nature of those problems is called into question, especially in the face > of positive feedback by many users. We as experts in some Emacs areas are required to suppress our frustration in such cases and patiently explain why others are wrong. the only justified exception is when the opponent behaves extremely rudely. Which was not the case here.