* bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files
@ 2009-07-12 18:44 Chong Yidong
2009-07-12 19:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-12 20:35 ` Juri Linkov
0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-07-12 18:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 3833
> Looking in desktop.el, I see that desktop-buffers-not-to-save
> intentionally omits buffers whose names end in ".log" and a couple
> others. Sure thing, the files that were not visited after restarting
> ended in ".log".
>
> I think that variable's default should be nil. I think it is up to
> the user to decide that she doesn't want to record some of the
> buffers/files. It is no business of desktop.el to decide for the
> user. Especially since there is no way of telling desktop.el to
> override the value of desktop-buffers-not-to-save for some specific
> buffer, short of renaming the buffer.
I agree that .log should be removed. However, the two other items seem
to make sense: Gnus and FTP sessions, because desktop.el can't recreate
those. If you'd like to remove .log, please go ahead and do so on the
trunk.
> Similarly with desktop-files-not-to-save: its default should be nil,
> IMO.
These are remote (Tramp/ange-ftp) files. Again, I think the rationale
is that desktop.el can't recreate them properly.
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* bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files
2009-07-12 18:44 bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files Chong Yidong
@ 2009-07-12 19:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-12 20:21 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-14 20:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-12 20:35 ` Juri Linkov
1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2009-07-12 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: 3833
> From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
> Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:44:27 -0400
>
> I agree that .log should be removed. However, the two other items seem
> to make sense: Gnus and FTP sessions, because desktop.el can't recreate
> those.
The fact that Gnus makes buffers named nn.a7 does not mean there
cannot be a file or buffer by that name that has nothing to do with
Gnus. Likewise, there can legitimately be a file or buffer named
literally "(ftp)".
If these are names of buffers that many users would like to omit, we
can make them one of the choices we offer, but I don't think we should
make them the default.
Also, I think desktop.el should check that buffers mentioned in
desktop-buffers-not-to-save don't have an associated file. Files
should be mentioned in desktop-files-not-to-save.
> If you'd like to remove .log, please go ahead and do so on the
> trunk.
Done.
> > Similarly with desktop-files-not-to-save: its default should be nil,
> > IMO.
>
> These are remote (Tramp/ange-ftp) files.
Only mostly so. They can be regular files as well.
> Again, I think the rationale is that desktop.el can't recreate them
> properly.
Why not? If they exist on the remote host, I think it can.
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* bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files
2009-07-12 19:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2009-07-12 20:21 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-13 2:06 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-14 20:03 ` Stefan Monnier
1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Reiner Steib @ 2009-07-12 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Chong Yidong, 3833
On Sun, Jul 12 2009, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
[ desktop-buffers-not-to-save ]
>> I agree that .log should be removed. However, the two other items seem
>> to make sense: Gnus and FTP sessions, because desktop.el can't recreate
>> those.
>
> The fact that Gnus makes buffers named nn.a7 does not mean there
> cannot be a file or buffer by that name that has nothing to do with
> Gnus.
BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching
"^nn\\.a[0-9]+".
Bye, Reiner.
--
,,,
(o o)
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* bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files
2009-07-12 20:21 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2009-07-13 2:06 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-13 2:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-07-13 2:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 3833
Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
> BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching
> "^nn\\.a[0-9]+".
I guess I was mistaken. No idea what those buffers match.
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* bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files
2009-07-13 2:06 ` Chong Yidong
@ 2009-07-13 2:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-13 4:30 ` Chong Yidong
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2009-07-13 2:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: 3833
> From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
> Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:06:10 -0400
>
> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>
> > BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching
> > "^nn\\.a[0-9]+".
>
> I guess I was mistaken. No idea what those buffers match.
OK to remove that as well?
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* bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files
2009-07-13 2:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2009-07-13 4:30 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-13 18:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Chong Yidong @ 2009-07-13 4:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 3833
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
>> Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
>> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:06:10 -0400
>>
>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>>
>> > BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching
>> > "^nn\\.a[0-9]+".
>>
>> I guess I was mistaken. No idea what those buffers match.
>
> OK to remove that as well?
This is the original ChangeLog entry. Ring any bells to you?
1994-02-04 Morten Welinder (terra@tyr.diku.dk)
* desktop.el (desktop-buffers-not-to-save): Add regexp for "nn"
temporary files.
If not, it's probably historical baggage, so let's delete it.
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* bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files
2009-07-13 4:30 ` Chong Yidong
@ 2009-07-13 18:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-16 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2009-07-13 18:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chong Yidong, Morten Welinder; +Cc: 3833
> From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
> Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:30:00 -0400
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
> >> Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
> >> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:06:10 -0400
> >>
> >> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
> >>
> >> > BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching
> >> > "^nn\\.a[0-9]+".
> >>
> >> I guess I was mistaken. No idea what those buffers match.
> >
> > OK to remove that as well?
>
> This is the original ChangeLog entry. Ring any bells to you?
No, but we can ask Morten.
Morten, do you remember anything about why you added "^nn\\.a[0-9]+"
to desktop-buffers-not-to-save? Here's the log entry:
> 1994-02-04 Morten Welinder (terra@tyr.diku.dk)
>
> * desktop.el (desktop-buffers-not-to-save): Add regexp for "nn"
> temporary files.
>
> If not, it's probably historical baggage, so let's delete it.
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* bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files
2009-07-13 18:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2009-07-16 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2009-07-16 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 3833; +Cc: cyd
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:48:02 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
>
> > >> > BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching
> > >> > "^nn\\.a[0-9]+".
> > >>
> > >> I guess I was mistaken. No idea what those buffers match.
> > >
> > > OK to remove that as well?
> >
> > This is the original ChangeLog entry. Ring any bells to you?
>
> No, but we can ask Morten.
>
> Morten, do you remember anything about why you added "^nn\\.a[0-9]+"
> to desktop-buffers-not-to-save? Here's the log entry:
>
> > 1994-02-04 Morten Welinder (terra@tyr.diku.dk)
> >
> > * desktop.el (desktop-buffers-not-to-save): Add regexp for "nn"
> > temporary files.
> >
> > If not, it's probably historical baggage, so let's delete it.
Morten replied (in a private email) that this goes back to the "No
News" newsreader, which is now RIP.
So unless someone hollers, I will remove the "^nn\\.a[0-9]+" pattern
from desktop-buffers-not-to-save.
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* bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files
2009-07-12 19:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-12 20:21 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2009-07-14 20:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-18 12:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2009-07-14 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Chong Yidong, 3833
> Also, I think desktop.el should check that buffers mentioned in
> desktop-buffers-not-to-save don't have an associated file. Files
> should be mentioned in desktop-files-not-to-save.
That's the actually bug to fix, yes.
Stefan
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* bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files
2009-07-14 20:03 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2009-07-18 12:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2009-07-18 12:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: cyd, 3833
> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:03:45 -0400
>
> > Also, I think desktop.el should check that buffers mentioned in
> > desktop-buffers-not-to-save don't have an associated file. Files
> > should be mentioned in desktop-files-not-to-save.
>
> That's the actually bug to fix, yes.
Done.
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* bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files
2009-07-12 18:44 bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files Chong Yidong
2009-07-12 19:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2009-07-12 20:35 ` Juri Linkov
1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Juri Linkov @ 2009-07-12 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: 3833
>> I think that variable's default should be nil. I think it is up to
>> the user to decide that she doesn't want to record some of the
>> buffers/files. It is no business of desktop.el to decide for the
>> user. Especially since there is no way of telling desktop.el to
>> override the value of desktop-buffers-not-to-save for some specific
>> buffer, short of renaming the buffer.
>
> I agree that .log should be removed. However, the two other items seem
> to make sense: Gnus and FTP sessions, because desktop.el can't recreate
> those. If you'd like to remove .log, please go ahead and do so on the
> trunk.
I find the value ".log" useful because it helps not to load usually
large log files, but I agree that this should be a personal preference
because it is natural to expect that desktop.el will restore all files
it can recreate.
As for Gnus and FTP sessions, we could try to ignore them using
`desktop-modes-not-to-save' or `desktop-buffer-mode-handlers'
if they have a non-default mode.
>> Similarly with desktop-files-not-to-save: its default should be nil,
>> IMO.
>
> These are remote (Tramp/ange-ftp) files. Again, I think the rationale
> is that desktop.el can't recreate them properly.
recentf.el uses two predicates `file-remote-p' and `file-readable-p' to
decide which files should be kept. Maybe desktop.el should do the same?
--
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/
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* bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files
@ 2009-07-12 18:06 Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2009-07-12 18:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-pretest-bug
I restarted Emacs today on one of my machines (because I built a new
version), and suddenly some of the files I worked on in the previous
session were not visited by Emacs. It took time for me to find which
files I was working on, because I don't keep records of all of the
files I have in my session: I trust desktop.el to do that.
Looking in desktop.el, I see that desktop-buffers-not-to-save
intentionally omits buffers whose names end in ".log" and a couple
others. Sure thing, the files that were not visited after restarting
ended in ".log".
I think that variable's default should be nil. I think it is up to
the user to decide that she doesn't want to record some of the
buffers/files. It is no business of desktop.el to decide for the
user. Especially since there is no way of telling desktop.el to
override the value of desktop-buffers-not-to-save for some specific
buffer, short of renaming the buffer.
Similarly with desktop-files-not-to-save: its default should be nil,
IMO.
In GNU Emacs 23.0.96.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
of 2009-07-11 on HOME-C4E4A596F7
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)'
Important settings:
value of $LC_ALL: nil
value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
value of $LC_TIME: nil
value of $LANG: ENU
value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
locale-coding-system: cp1255
default-enable-multibyte-characters: t
Major mode: Mail
Minor modes in effect:
flyspell-mode: t
desktop-save-mode: t
show-paren-mode: t
display-time-mode: t
tooltip-mode: t
tool-bar-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
menu-bar-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
blink-cursor-mode: t
global-auto-composition-mode: t
auto-composition-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
temp-buffer-resize-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
abbrev-mode: t
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