From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4197: 23.1; error when try to run `server-start': directory .emacs.d/server is unsafe Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:28:44 +0300 Message-ID: <838whdggwz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86F491CE4D5C4E80B9B4FD5F110C3F12@us.oracle.com> <83ocq9h63s.fsf@gnu.org> <2BFC5C014BD64D93A209629F9B852FFC@us.oracle.com> <83bpm9gj0d.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii , 4197@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1250880438 26790 80.91.229.12 (21 Aug 2009 18:47:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 4197@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 21 20:47:10 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MeZ8j-0004I0-4C for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:47:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60167 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MeZ8i-0003PB-Gd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:47:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MeZ8c-0003Mz-Lz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:46:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MeZ8Y-0003Dt-Qo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:46:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35071 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MeZ8Y-0003DE-Ev for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:46:54 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:35985) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MeZ8X-0005zo-L6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:46:54 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7LIkp1o032019; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:46:51 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n7LIZ6cS029904; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:35:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:35:06 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:35:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4197 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 4197-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4197.125087945129365 (code B ref 4197); Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:35:06 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4197) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Aug 2009 18:30:51 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mtaout7.012.net.il (mtaout7.012.net.il [84.95.2.19]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7LIUnFh029355 for <4197@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:30:50 -0700 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout7.012.net.il by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KOQ00D00OR28H00@i-mtaout7.012.net.il> for 4197@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:30:42 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.180.85]) by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KOQ00271OR6KDF0@i-mtaout7.012.net.il>; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:30:42 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:46:58 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:30448 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <4197@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>, > Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:12:16 -0700 > > OK, but FAT32 is very common. I wonder about the default for the variable being > non-nil, even after the bug is fixed, but especially before then. The variable does more than just influence server.el. It makes file-attributes more accurate, which has its own benefits, most prominently in Dired. > > Can you perhaps convert the drive to NTFS? > > No. Is it a joke? No, I tried to help you work around the problem (and get a better filesystem while at that). > This is not my personal laptop. This is the standard issue for my > company. I couldn't know that, could I? > I think Emacs should be able to coexist and behave nicely with FAT32 - don't > you? I do, and it does -- mostly. > It doesn't make sense to make the default behavior dependent on assuming that > users do not have FAT32 and are not in the local Administrators group. IMO. > That's a crippling assumption. The code in server.el assumes a Posix filesystem. We are trying to get it to work nicely on Windows, when some of these assumptions don't hold. IOW, no one specifically assumed users do not have FAT32. > Beyond the message text, what does it mean? Where is this notion of "unsafe > directory" documented in the manuals? It is a more or less common knowledge in the Posix world. But I do agree that the message text should be more self-explanatory. > I think this should be explained in the manual(s) - we shouldn't simply improve > the message (though that too should be done). It is especially important to > document things that concern safety (if this really does). If the message is explicit enough, it will explain itself.