From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:14:48 +0300 Message-ID: <838w6klfqf.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <877hm5ica5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276337703 29037 80.91.229.12 (12 Jun 2010 10:15:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 12 12:15:01 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNjt-0005B3-Uf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:14:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41614 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONNjt-0001JN-6D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:14:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34240 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONNjn-0001IO-Af for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:14:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNjm-000798-Br for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:14:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:60538) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNjm-00078w-3T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:14:50 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L3W00200CCC5Q00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:14:48 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.119.36]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L3W00KHLCGN97C0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:14:48 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <877hm5ica5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125797 Archived-At: > From: Chong Yidong > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , David Kastrup , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:45:22 -0400 > > My question is: do people who edit bidi frequently need or expect a > separate command for moving logically? Please explain what you mean here. _All_ movement commands in Emacs move logically, both C-f/C-b and the arrow keys. > If not, we could require C-f/[right] to always move right, and > C-b/[left] to always move left. This would be the right-char and > left-char commands, with `forward-char' and `backward-char' no longer > bound to keys. You are in effect saying that screen direction is more important than the reading order. This is IMO fundamentally wrong.